Undergrad What is the physical significance of <x'|x> in quantum mechanics?

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The discussion focuses on the physical significance of the inner product <x'|x> in quantum mechanics, which is identified as the inner product of two unnormalized position states, yielding the value δ(x' - x). It is noted that this inner product does not naturally represent transition amplitudes, unlike those derived from scattering theory. The propagator <x'|e^(-iHt/ħ)|x> is emphasized as having a clear physical interpretation, representing the probability amplitude for a particle's movement over time. The conversation also highlights that while <x'|x> can be viewed as a special case of the propagator at t=0, it lacks a meaningful physical context when interpreted as a transition amplitude. Overall, the participants stress the importance of understanding the mathematical framework and context to derive physical meaning in quantum mechanics.
  • #31
Again! The propagator NEVER is the probability distribution, it's a generalized function and must not be squared. The probability amplitude (wave function) is given by
$$\psi(t,x)=\int \mathrm{d} x G(t;x,x') \psi_0(x'),$$
where ##\psi_0## is a square integrable initial wave function.
 
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There may be some confusion on how various authors label the propagator. In the expression <x'|e-iHt/ħ|x>, some authors say that U(t)=e-iHt/ħ is the propagator that is used to advance the wave function in time. For example, Shankar, Ramamurti, Principles of Quantum Mechanics, page 55. And this U(t) by itself is not a wave function that in any way leads to a probability. But other authors say that <x'|e-iHt/ħ|x> is the propagator, see Professor Robert Littlejohn notes here. I think the latter is just the matrix elements of the former. Wouldn't that mean that <x'|e-iHt/ħ|x> has some physical meaning?

One might expect that <x'|x> ≈ lim(t→0) <x'|e-iHt/ħ|x> would have to be complex (and not just δ(x'-x) ) so that <x|x'> could be its complex conjugate so that <x'|x><x|x'> would have some meaning in terms of probabilities.
 
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Ok let's get this straight, because it's very important. You have to distinguish different forms to express quantum theory. The most general (and in my opinion best to start with) is the formalism using abstract rigged Hilbert spaces and operators. The only obstacle sometimes is that you have some arbitrariness to choose how the statistical operator (i.e., the state) and the self-adjoint operators representing observables depend on time. That's called the choice of the picture. In non-relativistic quantum theory one usually starts with the Schrödinger picture, where the full time evolution is on the statistical operator. Its time dependence is given by the time-evolution operator ##\hat{U}(t,t')##,
$$\hat{\rho}(t)=\hat{U}(t,t_0) \hat{\rho}(t_0) \hat{U}^{\dagger}(t,t_0),$$
wherea the time-evolution operator is determined by the operator-valued initial-value problem
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t \hat{U}(t,t_0)=\hat{H}(t) \hat{U}(t,t_0).$$
If ##\hat{H}## is not explicitly time dependent, then this is readily integrated to
$$\hat{U}(t,t_0)=\exp[-\mathrm{i} \hat{H}(t-t_0)], \quad \hat{U}(t_0+0^+,t_0)=1.$$
For wave mechanics you usually express everything in the position representation, i.e., you work with wavefunctions in the concrete function space ##L^2## of square-integrable functions.

For a pure state you have
$$\hat{\rho}(t)=|\psi,t \rangle \langle \psi,t|, \quad \text{with} \quad \langle \psi,t|\psi,t \rangle=1.$$
and you can choose
$$|\psi,t \rangle=\hat{U}(t,t_0) |\psi,t_0 \rangle$$
as representant of the state ##\hat{\rho}(t)##. For the wave function this implies
$$\psi(t,x)=\langle x|\psi,t \rangle=\int \mathrm{d} x' \langle x|\hat{U}(t,t_0)|x' \rangle \langle x'|\psi,t_0 \rangle=\int \mathrm{d} x' U(x,t;x',t_0) \psi_0(x').$$
obviously the propagator ##U(x,t;x',t_0)## satisfies the initial-value problem of the Schrödinger equation,
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t U(x,t;x',t_0)=\hat{H} U(x,t;x',t_0), \quad U(x,t_0+0^+;x',t_0)=\delta(x-x'),$$
where now ##\hat{H}## is the Hamiltonian in position representation.

For a free particle (and also for the harmonic oscillator) you can solve for the propgator explicitly. That's also a very good exercise to do for yourself. For the free particle we have
$$\hat{H}=\frac{\hat{p}^2}{2m}.$$
To evaluate the propagator it's thus most convenient to use the completeness of the generalized momentum eigenbasis:
$$U(t,x;t_0,x')=\int \mathrm{d} p \langle x|\exp \left[ -\mathrm{i} \frac{\hat{p}^2}{2m}(t-t_0) \right ]|p \rangle \langle p|x' \rangle=\int \mathrm{d} p \langle x|p \rangle \langle p|x' \rangle \exp\left[ -\mathrm{i} \frac{p^2}{2m} (t-t_0)\right ]=\int \frac{\mathrm{d} p}{2 \pi} \exp\left[ -\mathrm{i} \frac{p^2}{2m} (t-t_0)\right ] \exp[\mathrm{i} p(x-x')].$$
Now this is a Fourier transformation of a Gaussian, but to make sense of it you have to add a little imaginary part to the time to "regularize" it, i.e., you set ##t \rightarrow t-\mathrm{i} 0^+##. Then you can solve for the Gaussian integral and get a unique result for ##\hat{U}##:
$$U(t,x;t_0,x')=\sqrt{\frac{1}{2 \pi m \mathrm{i}(t-t_0)}} \exp \left [\frac{\mathrm{i} m}{2 (t-t_0)} (x-x_0)^2 \right ].$$
As you see, that's not square integrable as to be expected already from the initial condition.
 
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friend said:
One might expect
Your obviously wrong expectations are a sure sign that you don't understand the algebra, let alone the meaning of what you talk about. And it seems to be impossible to explain it to you.
 
  • #35
vanhees71 said:
Ok let's get this straight, because it's very important...
Wow! I'm impressed. Thank you, vanhees, for all the effort you put into your response. Now we have some math to refer to. [Point of order: you might wish to number your equations for easier reference]

I'm understanding from our conversation that ##U(t;x,x')=\langle x|\exp(-\mathrm{i} \hat{H} t) x' \rangle,## is not a wave function since it is strictly not square integrable. So no probabilities can be derived from it alone. I probably got confused because it seems to be a solution to the Schrodinger's equation as you indicate.

However, that may not be connected to my ultimate purpose here. I'm trying to understand the nature of the wave function itself in terms of (the here unpopular) virtual particles (whatever those might be). To that end I'm understanding that the Propagator is the Green's function associated with the Schrodinger's equation, and I found this quote from Prof. Matthew Strassler, Theoretical Physicists from Rutger's University, " [Students of math and physics will recognize real photons as solutions of a wave equation, and virtual photons as related to the Green function associated with this equation.]", at the bottom of the 5th paragraph, here.

For our purposes here, the propagator can be written,
<x'|e-iHt/ħ|x> = ∫∫∫⋅⋅⋅∫<x'|e-iHε/ħ|x1><x1|e-iHε/ħ|x2><x2|e-iHε/ħ|x3>⋅⋅⋅<xn|e-iHε/ħ|x> dx1dx2dx3⋅⋅⋅dxn

The question is: do these lim(ε→0) <xi|e-iHε/ħ|xj> ≈(?) <xi|xj> represent the virtual particles referred to by Prof. Matt Strassler?
 
  • #36
This latter idea is kind of a first step of the path-integral formulation. Do not study photons before you haven't fully understood non-relativistic quantum theory. Photons cannot described adequately in the wave-function formalism. It has no position observable to begin with. It's a quite complicated object, even already in the free case and can only described correctly in terms of quantum field theory.

In non-relativistic quantum theory, the meaning (and the only logically consistent meaning!) of the wave function is that
$$P(t,x)=|\psi(t,x)|^2$$
is the probability density function for the position of a single particle, provided that
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x P(t,x)=1.$$
So the wave function must be square integrable to have a well-defined definition of a physical state in sense of quantum theory.

Of course, not every solution of the Schrödinger equation is a wave function. One example is the above derived propagator for a free non-relativistic particle. It's a solution of the Schrödinger equation, but in the sense of a generalized function. It lives not in the Hilbert space of square integrable wave functions but in the dual of a smaller dense subspace, where the position and momentum operators are defined. Since the subspace is strictly smaller than the Hilbert space, it's dual is larger than the Hilbert space. The dual of the Hilbert space itself is isomorphic to the Hilbert space.
 
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vanhees71 said:
This latter idea is kind of a first step of the path-integral formulation. Do not study photons before you haven't fully understood non-relativistic quantum theory. Photons cannot described adequately in the wave-function formalism. It has no position observable to begin with. It's a quite complicated object, even already in the free case and can only described correctly in terms of quantum field theory.
Yea, I kind a picked up on that. I think Prof. Strassler must have meant real and virtual particles (not photons) since they have more to do with the Schrodinger equation and the Green's function of that.
 
  • #38
Forget virtual particles. That's pop-sci speach. It describes mathematical terms in the perturbative expansion, which can be efficiently written in terms of Feynman diagrams, where the "virtual particles" are symbolized for the internal lines that stand for propagators, i.e., mathematical expressions, nothing else.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Forget virtual particles. That's pop-sci speach. It describes mathematical terms in the perturbative expansion, which can be efficiently written in terms of Feynman diagrams, where the "virtual particles" are symbolized for the internal lines that stand for propagators, i.e., mathematical expressions, nothing else.
Yes, they are just mathematical devises, just as are manifolds, and differential lengths. We invent terms like force and mass to give some definition of what we are integrating in classical mechanics. So I'm trying to understand what those little pieces are that we are integrating in the Feynman path integral since that's what we do in classical integrals. And it seems unavoidable since we assume that the whole is constructed from the little pieces. So your advice seems to be to be saying that I should give up on understanding the basic structures of physical things. And the little pieces in the path integral seem to be called "virtual". The only problem left is to discover their properties and to understand the world in terms of them. So you are basically asking me to stop caring at all. Sorry, I can't do that.
 
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vanhees71 said:
... For the wave function this implies
$$\psi(t,x)=\langle x|\psi,t \rangle=\int \mathrm{d} x' \langle x|\hat{U}(t,t_0)|x' \rangle \langle x'|\psi,t_0 \rangle=\int \mathrm{d} x' U(x,t;x',t_0) \psi_0(x').$$
obviously the propagator ##U(x,t;x',t_0)## satisfies the initial-value problem of the Schrödinger equation,
$$\mathrm{i} \partial_t U(x,t;x',t_0)=\hat{H} U(x,t;x',t_0), \quad U(x,t_0+0^+;x',t_0)=\delta(x-x'),$$
where now ##\hat{H}## is the Hamiltonian in position representation.
It seems what this says is that for the wave function to propagate through time at all means that one must take into account how every point in space interacts with the initial wave function. Or in other words, the wave function cannot ever exist in spacetime at all unless it moves through time, and this in turn means the wave function is always defined in terms of the propagator which takes into account every point in space.
 
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friend said:
Yes, they are just mathematical devises, just as are manifolds, and differential lengths. We invent terms like force and mass to give some definition of what we are integrating in classical mechanics. So I'm trying to understand what those little pieces are that we are integrating in the Feynman path integral since that's what we do in classical integrals. And it seems unavoidable since we assume that the whole is constructed from the little pieces. So your advice seems to be to be saying that I should give up on understanding the basic structures of physical things. And the little pieces in the path integral seem to be called "virtual". The only problem left is to discover their properties and to understand the world in terms of them. So you are basically asking me to stop caring at all. Sorry, I can't do that.

I think you're mixing up two different topics. There is a path-integral formulation for nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, and that in no way involves "virtual particles". Virtual particles appear when one does perturbation theory in quantum field theory. The two subjects are related, in that both of them make use of something called the "propagator", but the expression that is being discussed in this thread, \langle x| \hat{U}(t, t_0)|x_0\rangle is from nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, and doesn't involve virtual particles at all.

As vanhees71 says, a propagator is not a transition amplitude, because it has different normalization rules. However, conceptually, it seems to me that it can be understood as a generalization of transition amplitudes, so I don't agree with him that it's so bad to call them that (as long as the normalization business is made clear).

If you have a quantum system with a discrete number of states |psi_j\rangle, then you can compute a transition amplitude:

A_{ij}(t, t_0)

which is defined to be the probability amplitude that a system initially in state |\psi_j\rangle at time t_0 will be found in state |\psi_i\rangle at time t. The mathematical expression for this is: A_{ij}(t, t_0) = \langle \psi_i | \hat{U}(t, t_0) | \psi_j \rangle = \langle \psi_i | e^{-i \hat{H} (t-t_0)/\hbar} | \psi_j \rangle. The probability that a system initially prepared in state j will later be observed to be in state i is just P_{ij} = |A_{ij}|^2.

The laws of quantum mechanics allow us to relate A_{ij} at different times as follows:

A_{ij}(t, t_0) = \sum_k A_{ik}(t, t_1) A_{kj}(t_1, t_0)

where t_1 is any time between t_0 and t_1, and the index k runs over all possible intermediate states.

Obviously, you can continue to expand the amplitude to get something like:

A_{ij}(t, t_0) = \sum_{k_1, k_2, ..., k_N} A_{ik_N}(t, t_N) A_{k_N, k_{N-1}}(t_N, t_{N-1}) ... A_{k_1, j}(t_1, t_0)

where t_n = t + n \epsilon, where \epsilon = \frac{n (t-t_0)}{N+1}

If we define a "path" (not through physical space, but through state space) p to be a sequence of states \psi_{k_0}, \psi_{k_1}, ..., \psi_{k_{N+1}} of length N+2, then we can associate an amplitude with such a path:

\phi(p, t, t_0) = A_{k_{N+1}, k_N}(t, t_N) A_{k_N, k_{N-1}}(t_N, t_{N-1}) ... A_{k_1, k_0}(t_1, t_0)

Then our formula above can be summarized as:

A_{ij}(t, t_0) = \sum_p \phi(p, t, t_0)

where the sum is over all possible paths p that start at \psi_j and end at \psi_i. So you can interpret the equation for transition amplitudes as saying: "Take all possible paths from \psi_j to \psi_i, and add their amplitudes." I suppose you could say that these paths are "virtual", in that there is no sense in which the system actually takes any of those paths--it's just a calculational device.

The propagator is in some sense the continuum limit of such a transition amplitude, where the states \psi_j are states that are localized in physical space.
 
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stevendaryl said:
I think you're mixing up two different topics. There is a path-integral formulation for nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, and that in no way involves "virtual particles". Virtual particles appear when one does perturbation theory in quantum field theory. The two subjects are related, in that both of them make use of something called the "propagator", but the expression that is being discussed in this thread, \langle x| \hat{U}(t, t_0)|x_0\rangle is from nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, and doesn't involve virtual particles at all.
It does seem that there are different senses in which the words virtual particles are used. There is the sense used in perturbation theory, as you say. But I think there is also the sense in which virtual particles automatically exist everywhere; they are also called quantum fluctuations. I think it is these that are used when talking about the Casimir effect and Hawking and Unruh radiation. My feeling is that the word virtual is invoked when talking about the little pieces that are being integrated in the Feynman Path Integral. I've even heard of virtual geometries when using the path integrals in quantum gravity when possible geometries of spacetime exist in superposition. You might call each of the infinite number of paths in the path integral virtual sense none of them can be said to really exist but they are nevertheless integrated in superposition. But then again each of those virtual paths consist of even smaller displacements (of what particles?). Since the wave function is a distributed thing, I'm trying to understand the wave function in terms of these tiny, virtual, things. What I suspect is that the wave function can be described in terms of these virtual particles of quantum mechanics. And the virtual particles of quantum mechanics can be explained in terms of the virtual particles of quantum field theory. I imagine it will be easy to confuse the two.
 
  • #43
friend said:
It does seem that there are different senses in which the words virtual particles are used. There is the sense used in perturbation theory, as you say. But I think there is also the sense in which virtual particles automatically exist everywhere; they are also called quantum fluctuations. I think it is these that are used when talking about the Casimir effect and Hawking and Unruh radiation.

Those are all cases of the same thing: particles that appear in perturbation theory.

My feeling is that the word virtual is invoked when talking about the little pieces that are being integrated in the Feynman Path Integral.

There might be a sense in which they are related, but I don't think anyone uses the phrase "virtual particle" in talking about Feynman's path integral formulation of nonrelativistic quantum mechanics.
 
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friend said:
... There might be a sense in which they are related, but I don't think anyone uses the phrase "virtual particle" in talking about Feynman's path integral formulation of nonrelativistic quantum mechanics.

Well for example, for any wave function to propagate we must have,

<x'|e-iHt/ħ|x> = ∫∫∫⋅⋅⋅∫<x'|e-iHε/ħ|x1><x1|e-iHε/ħ|x2><x2|e-iHε/ħ|x3>⋅⋅⋅<xn|e-iHε/ħ|x> dx1dx2dx3⋅⋅⋅dxn

The question is for each <xi|e-iHε/ħ|xj> is there a complex conjugate <xi|e-iHε/ħ|xj>* ? This would be a kind of virtual antiparticle, perhaps.
 
  • #45
vanhees71 said:
No, it's obviously not. Again, generalized eigenstates of self-adjoint operators in the continuous part of their spectrum are never proper Hilbert-space vectors and thus do not represent (pure) quantum states. They are distributions and belong to the dual space of the domain of the self-adjoint operator. You must not multiply them. In your case of a position eigenvector you have
$$\langle x'|x \rangle=\delta(x'-x).$$
This clearly shows you that you must not take its square!
Shankar, Principles of Quantum Mechanics, page 145, says,
"The other set of improper kets we will use in the same spirit are the position eigenkets |x>, which also form a convenient basis. Again, when we speak of a particle being in a state |x0> we shall mean that its wave function is so sharply peaked at x=x0 that it may be treated as a delta function to a good accuracy."
So I think that this means that <x'|x> = δ(x-x') is a very close approximation for the purposes of any calculation to a physical entity, a transition amplitude.
 
  • #46
Well, there are many sloppy quantum mechanics textbooks out there. That's a pity, but you can't help it. Just one last time: It doesn't make sense to claim that non-normalizable distributions represent states in any way. In this example it's obvious. You cannot even square the ##\delta## distribution, let alone integrate over this undefined quantity.
 
  • #47
friend said:
So I think that this means that <x'|x> = δ(x-x') is a very close approximation for the purposes of any calculation to a physical entity, a transition amplitude.

Well, you can sort-of approximate a delta function by a very localized, square-integrable function. But the normalization is not right for a wave function. \delta(x-x&#039;) is normalized so that \int \delta(x-x&#039;) dx = 1, while a wave function is normalized so that \int |\psi(x)|^2 dx = 1.
 
  • #48
stevendaryl said:
Well, you can sort-of approximate a delta function by a very localized, square-integrable function. But the normalization is not right for a wave function. \delta(x-x&#039;) is normalized so that \int \delta(x-x&#039;) dx = 1, while a wave function is normalized so that \int |\psi(x)|^2 dx = 1.
I find it strange to insist that there is no physical content to |x>. For we certainly consider it legitimate to write <x|ψ> = ψ(x). If <x| is meaningful in <x|ψ>, then shouldn't we expect that its dual, |x> is also physically meaningful.
 
  • #49
This is the very point of the entire discussion! A distribution has physical meaning only when folded with a test function. Note that ##|\psi \rangle## must be in the domain of the position operator which is a dense subspace of the Hilbert space, so that ##\langle x|\psi \rangle## is well-defined!
 
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vanhees71 said:
This is the very point of the entire discussion! A distribution has physical meaning only when folded with a test function. Note that ##|\psi \rangle## must be in the domain of the position operator which is a dense subspace of the Hilbert space, so that ##\langle x|\psi \rangle## is well-defined!
Yea, that all sounds familiar. Thanks for the reminder.

So my understanding from all this is that |x0> is not a wave-function in the sense that you cannot extract a probability from it because it is not square integrable. That would only mean that we cannot ever predict the probabilities that |x0> will occur, right? I think that is to be expected. It represents the extreme of the Uncertainty Principle ΔxΔp≥ħ/2. Since |x0> represents a wave-function located precisely at x0, then the Δx of it would be zero, which is impossible. Same can be said of |p> for a wave function of exact momentum, p.
 
  • #51
Probabilities predicted in QT are probabilities for finding a certain value when measuring an observable and not that some mathematical auxilliary quantity like ##|x \rangle## occurs. The uncertainty principle clearly tells you that there are no proper eigenvectors of position or momentum operators.
 
  • #52
friend said:
I find it strange to insist that there is no physical content to |x>. For we certainly consider it legitimate to write <x|ψ> = ψ(x). If <x| is meaningful in <x|ψ>, then shouldn't we expect that its dual, |x> is also physically meaningful.

vanhees71 said:
This is the very point of the entire discussion! A distribution has physical meaning only when folded with a test function. Note that ##|\psi \rangle## must be in the domain of the position operator which is a dense subspace of the Hilbert space, so that ##\langle x|\psi \rangle## is well-defined!

Well, it could be that position can be exactly measured, so <x|ψ> does make physical sense. The only thing is that after a position measurement, the state cannot collapse to a delta function, since that is not a physical state. So we can have exact position measurement, and we can have collapse after that, but to some other state (consistent with a generalized collapse rule, rather than the textbook projection postulate which cannot deal with continuous variables).
 
  • #53
Position CAN bei exactly measured. It cannot be exactly PREPARED! Since there is no collapse, the no-collapse argument is always true ;-)).
 
  • #54
vanhees71 said:
Position CAN bei exactly measured. It cannot be exactly PREPARED!

Well said!

vanhees71 said:
Since there is no collapse, the no-collapse argument is always true ;-)).

Here's one way in which one can have collapse after the sharp position measurement:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3526 (edited link)
2.3.2 Ozawa's model of a sharp position measurement"
 
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vanhees71 said:
Position CAN be exactly measured.
How do you measure position exactly (i.e., to an infinite number of decimal places)? I haven't seen any experimental equipment that could do it; not even in a thought experiment. Already the readout of the measurement result would take an infinite time...
 
  • #56
A. Neumaier said:
How do you measure position exactly (i.e., to an infinite number of decimal places)? I haven't seen any experimental equipment that could do it; not even in a thought experiment. Already the readout of the measurement result would take an infinite time...
By that logic, we could never confirm theory since we could never measure accurately enough.

Just because QT does not predict |x> doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Something else is giving rise to particles with which quantum theory works. QFT is giving rise to the particles whose propagation is predicted by QM. And even QFT does not predict where those particles will pop into existence. But it does seem that particles are starting out at some exact location, an atom or nucleus. And the collapse tells us that it is ending exactly somewhere. As I understand it, the collapse is to a point, not to a region.
 
  • #57
friend said:
By that logic, we could never confirm theory since we could never measure accurately enough.

Well, and that's true. You never confirm a theory. What you can do is disconfirm (or falsify) a theory by showing that the measured result differs from the predicted result by an amount that is greater than can be plausibly accounted for by measurement imprecision or chance.
 
  • #58
I believe that Quantum Theory predicts that the wave function collapses to a point, not a region. That at least confirms that the <x'| portion of <x'|x> is a physical prediction. So if <x'| is confirmed, then so is its dual |x>
 
  • #59
friend said:
I believe that Quantum Theory predicts that the wave function collapses to a point, not a region. That at least confirms that the <x'| portion of <x'|x> is a physical prediction. So if <x'| is confirmed, then so is its dual |x>

No, quantum theory doesn't predict that the wave function collapses to a point. The collapse hypothesis is probably better thought of as a rule of thumb, rather than a necessary postulate of quantum (because there is substantial debate over whether collapse happens at all).

That at least confirms that the <x'| portion of <x'|x> is a physical prediction. So if <x'| is confirmed, then so is its dual |x>

The use of |\phi\rangle and \langle \psi | is just notation. You can't make a deduction about what is sensible based on the fact that you can express it using the notation.

In the mathematics of (single-particle, nonrelativistic, spin-zero, in one spatial dimension for simplicity) quantum mechanics, the possible states of a particle are assumed to be the set of complex-valued functions \psi(x) such that \int dx |\psi(x)|^2 &lt; \infty. In the Dirac notation, |\psi\rangle represents such a function.

Those are the "kets" (sort of a joke based on the word "bracket"). A "bra" is any linear function on "kets" that returns a complex number. One example of a "bra" is the function \langle x| that takes |\psi\rangle and returns \psi(x). That is, it takes the function \psi and returns the value of that function at the location x. Another example is the Fourier transform, the function \langle k| that takes a function \psi and returns \int dx \psi(x) e^{-i k x}. In the Dirac notation, the notation \langle F|B\rangle means the result of applying the bra F to the ket |B\rangle.

Now, there is a special type of "bra" which can be obtained from a ket: If |\phi\rangle is any ket, then you can define the corresponding bra \langle \phi | to be that function that takes a ket |\psi\rangle and returns \int dx \phi^*(x) \psi(x).

Note that not every bra comes from a ket. So the existence of a bra \langle F| does not imply that there is a corresponding ket |F\rangle. The two most common ones are \langle x| and \langle k|. They do not correspond to any state in the Hilbert space.

Now, often people do use the Dirac notation to represent what seems like the duals to \langle x| and \langle k|. They define |k\rangle to be the ket corresponding to the function e^{i k x}, and they define |x&#039;\rangle to be the ket corresponding to the "function" \delta(x-x&#039;). But that's playing loose with the notation. Those are not elements of the hilbert space, and are not possible states of a particle.
 
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stevendaryl said:
No, quantum theory doesn't predict that the wave function collapses to a point. The collapse hypothesis is probably better thought of as a rule of thumb, rather than a necessary postulate of quantum (because there is substantial debate over whether collapse happens at all).
Whatever you call it, collapse, many worlds, etc., QT predicts a probability distribution, but the result of measurement is only one of those possibilities, even when the spectrum is continuous. Also, the way we prepare a particle in a state is to do a measurement. So measuring the position prepares the particle in that state. We may not be able to prepare a state in an exact position because the probability density to measure in that state is infinitesimal. But that doesn't preclude the fact that a measurement of position will put it in an exact position.
 
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