What is the position dependent magnetic field for a Stern-Gerlach experiment?

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The discussion revolves around determining the position dependent magnetic field in a Stern-Gerlach experiment setup, which involves a dipole magnet with specific geometrical parameters. The original poster seeks assistance in deriving this magnetic field from first principles, as they have been instructed not to use a method involving imaginary wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the magnetic field using Gauss's Law for Magnetism but expresses uncertainty about how to apply it correctly. Some participants question the use of imaginary wires and seek clarification on this approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the application of Gauss's Law in the context of the problem. There is a recognition of the need to derive the magnetic field from fundamental principles, and some guidance has been offered regarding the integral properties of Gauss's Law.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that they are not allowed to use the imaginary wire method as per their professor's instructions, which introduces constraints on their approach to solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



For a Stern-Gerlach experiment, there is a apparatus designed to create a magnetic gradient. There is a dipole magnet. The radius of the convex pole is 5 cm, the radius of the concave pole is 10 cm. The convex pole as a 2 T magnetic field along its surface. (The apparatus is depicted in the attached image)

I need to find the position dependent magnetic field to solve for the separation of the two beams. I know how to proceed once I have the position dependent magnetic field. But I need help with finding the position dependent magnetic field. I found it by placing two imaginary wires at the foci of the pole curves. However, my professor told us we are not allowed to do this and we have to solve for the magnetic field from first principles (maybe Gauss's Law for Magnetism?...) I don't know how to proceed from there and thus don't have any equations to share.

Homework Equations



None thus far, given that I cannot use a two imaginary wire method.

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt at the solution was using a two imaginary wire method, until I was told I could not use this.
 

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Gauß' law is fine.
I don't understand where you want to add imaginary wires.
 
mfb said:
Gauß' law is fine.
I don't understand where you want to add imaginary wires.

But how do I use Gauss's Law?
 
There is an integral that gives the same value for different surfaces. Or 0 for a suitable closed volume.
The problem in the gap is similar to electrostatics.
 

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