What is the positive integer value of $n$ if $3^{n} + 81$ is a perfect square?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the positive integer value of \( n \) such that \( 3^{n} + 81 \) is a perfect square. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to this problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for \( n \leq 4 \), \( 3^{n} + 81 \) is not a perfect square and proposes a transformation of \( n \) into the form \( n = k + 4 \) to further analyze the expression.
  • Another participant rewrites the equation as \( 3^n + 81 = m^2 \) and factors it into \( 3^n = (m + 9)(m - 9) \), hinting at a relationship between \( m \) and powers of 3.
  • A different participant argues that \( 3^{n} + 81 \) cannot be a perfect square, claiming that both terms are odd and providing a demonstration involving odd integers.
  • In response, one participant contests the claim that \( 3^{n} + 81 \) cannot be a perfect square, asserting that a precise value for \( n \) can indeed make it a perfect square.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning about \( n \) being even, stating that \( n \) can be an odd number for the expression to be a perfect square.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views on whether \( 3^{n} + 81 \) can be a perfect square. Some argue it cannot, while others assert that there exists a specific value of \( n \) that satisfies the condition.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments depend on various assumptions about the parity of \( n \) and the properties of odd and even integers in relation to perfect squares. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or provide a definitive conclusion.

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If $3^{n} +81$ is a perfect square, find a positive integer value of $n$.

My Trail:: When $n\leq 4,$ then easy to know that $3^{n} +81$ is not a perfect square.

Now let $\displaystyle n = k +4 (k\in \mathbb{Z^{+}}),$ then $3^{N} +81 = 81 (3^{k} +1).$

So $3^{N} +81$ is a perfect square, and $81$ is square,

there must be a positive integer $x,$ such that

$3^{k}+1 = x^2\Rightarrow 3^k = (x-1)\cdot (x+1)$

Now How can i solve after that

Help me

Thanks
 
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I would write:

$$3^n+81=m^2$$

$$3^n=(m+9)(m-9)$$

Now, observing that:

$$18+9=27=3^3$$ and $$18-9=9=3^2$$

What value do we obtain for $n$?
 
jacks said:
If $3^{n} +81$ is a perfect square, find a positive integer value of $n$.

Hello.

3^n+81, It cannot be a perfect square, For being, both, odd numbers.

Demostration:

(2n-1)^2+(2m-1)^2=4(n^2+m^2)-4(n+m)+2=

=2[2(n^2+m^2)-2(n+m)+1]

The square root, of the latter expression, has to be an irrational number, for being divisible, only once for "2".

Regards.
 
mente oscura said:
$3^n+81$, It cannot be a perfect square

False. I can find a precise value $n$ for which the above is a perfect square.
 
Hint : Prove that $18$ is divisible by $m - 9$.
 
mathbalarka said:
False. I can find a precise value $n$ for which the above is a perfect square.

Hello.

I am sorry. Really, I have considered "n", even number and, it is not possible, but yes it can be an odd number.

Regards.
 

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