What is the Power Law Relationship between Mass and Metabolic Rate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on exploring the power law relationship between mass and metabolic rate, framed within the context of differential equations governing these quantities. Participants examine the implications of solving these equations and the nature of the relationships derived from them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the differential equations dM/dt=a*M(t) and dR/dt=b*R(t) can be solved to yield exponential forms for mass and metabolic rate, M(t)=c*exp[at] and R(t)=k*exp[bt].
  • Another participant questions the validity of solving for t and setting the equations equal, expressing uncertainty about whether this approach leads to a power law relationship.
  • Some participants note that the resulting equations appear to be exponential rather than power law, raising concerns about the nature of the relationship derived from the equations.
  • A later reply suggests dividing one differential equation by the other to eliminate the dt, indicating a potential method to explore the relationship further.
  • There is a recognition of a misunderstanding regarding the treatment of constants in logarithmic transformations, with one participant acknowledging an error in exponentiating both sides without proper consideration of constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the methods used to derive a power law relationship, with some questioning the approach while others suggest alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a power law relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the relationships involved and the potential for misunderstanding when manipulating the equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions about the equality of the equations at specific times.

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I'm trying to find a power law relationship between mass and metabolic rate, given that each of these quantities is defined by a differential equation.

Assuming dM/dt=a*M(t) and dR/dt=b*R(t), where M(t) is mass and R(t) is metabolic rate, I know that I can solve each of these equations to get:
M(t)=c*exp[at] and R(t)=k*exp[bt].

Here is where the first part of my question comes in: Let's say I try to solve both of these for t, and then set them equal to each other. Then I end up with a*ln(M/C)=b*ln(R/K) where C and K are different constants than before, but that's not really important. Is solving for t and setting equal allowed? I'm not sure if I'm looking at a specific time where the two equations are equal in this case, but I can't think of any other way to get rid of the variable.

Otherwise, I would think of dividing the two equations and getting M(t)/R(t)=h*exp[(a-b)t] where h is, again, a new constant that is unimportant. In this case, M=h*R*exp[(a-b)t]... which is different than when I eliminate t.

In either case, I don't see a power law relationship! These are exponential, and not power law, equations unless I'm very mistaken. How can I get to the final product to see the power law in play?
 
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schaefera said:
Assuming dM/dt=a*M(t) and dR/dt=b*R(t), where M(t) is mass and R(t) is metabolic rate, I know that I can solve each of these equations to get:
M(t)=c*exp[at] and R(t)=k*exp[bt].

Let's say I try to solve both of these for t, and then set them equal to each other. Then I end up with a*ln(M/C)=b*ln(R/K) where C and K are different constants than before,
Looks to me that c and k are the same as before, but a and b are inverted.
Is solving for t and setting equal allowed?
Seems good to me. Why do you think it's invalid? You want to know the relationship between M and R at each given value of t.
I don't see a power law relationship!
You don't?
a*ln(M/C)=b*ln(R/K)
ln((M/C)a)=ln((R/K) b)
(M/C)a=(R/K) b
 
Thank you so much! Silly me- I was exponentiating both sides without bringing the constants into the log.

I was unsure about solving for t because it seemed like I'm setting the two sides equal to each other for all t while they might not always be equal.
 
Just divide one differential equation by the other to eliminate the dt.
 

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