What Is the Probability Atom A Will Emit a Photon Before Atom B?

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The discussion revolves around the probability of one atom (atom A) emitting a photon before another atom (atom B). Participants explore the mathematical formulation of this problem using Gaussian distributions to describe the emission times of the atoms. The conversation includes various approaches to calculating the probability, assumptions about independence, and the implications of integrating over different time intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem using Gaussian distributions for the emission times of atoms A and B, suggesting that the probability of A emitting before B can be approached by considering the probability that A emits while B does not within a small time interval.
  • Another participant proposes using the joint probability distribution of the two independent decays to calculate the probability that A emits before B by integrating over the appropriate region.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the dependence of the result on a free parameter (t_B) in the integral, seeking a formulation that does not rely on such parameters.
  • Another contribution clarifies that the difference in emission times (t_A - t_B) can be treated as a Gaussian random variable, with a mean and variance derived from the properties of the individual distributions, and suggests using normal distribution tables for probability calculations.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous confusion and corrects the integration approach to ensure it covers the entire time interval without free parameters.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the problem and the mathematical approach, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on a single method or solution to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note assumptions about the independence of the decay processes and the implications of integrating over different time intervals, which may affect the results. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the problem statement.

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Probability that one random gaussian event will happen before another one.
For concretness I'll use atoms and photons but this problem is actually just about probabilities.

There's an atom A whose probability to emit a photon between times t and t+dt is given by a gaussian distribution probability P_A centered around time T_A with variance V_A. There's a similar atom B described by a gaussian distribution P_B, but centered around T_B with variance V_B. Once they emit one photon, the process stops. What is the probability atom A will emit a photon before atom B? My attempt was something like this:

First, I ask a slightly different question. I start with the probability that A will emit a photon and B will not, between t and t+dt. That should be just

(P_A) x (1-P_B) x dt

since we require that A emits during that interval but not B. Now, my first idea now is to just integrate this expression from -infty to +infty, but I feel that's like demanding that in order for P_A to emit at some time, P_B needs to never emit during the whole time, which is not necessary. Another idea was to integrate up to a time t_f and then integrate over that time to infinity, but I'm not sure about that either
 
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Assuming that the decays are independent of each other then you can write the joint probability distribution as $$P(t_A,t_B)= P_A(t_A)\ P_B(t_B)$$ So then to calculate the probability that ##t_A<t_B## we integrate over the diagonal half plane where ##t_A<t_B## as follows $$ \int_{-\infty}^{t_B}P(t_A,t_B)\ dt_A$$ or equivalently $$ \int_{t_A}^{\infty}P(t_A,t_B)\ dt_B$$
 
Thanks for your answer! I am a bit confused about the free parameter that remains on the integral. For example, on your first expression, the result depends on t_B in the end. Does that mean "the probability that event A will happen first in the time interval from -infty to t_B"? I'd like to find out what's the probability that A happens first, without any free parameters in the end, just considering all the time interval. Is that possible?

Thanks again!
 
I am a little confused by some things in your problem statement, but here is my two cents based on how I interpreted your question:
##t_A-t_B## is a Gausian random variable with a mean ##T_{t_A}-T_{t_B}## (I think that it is the times that are random variables with a mean and variance) and a variance ##V_{t_A} + V_{t_B} + 2 cov(t_A,t_B)##. I assume that the random variables, ##t_A## and ##t_B## are independent, so ##cov(t_A,t_B)=0##. You are asking for the probability that ##t_A-t_B \lt 0##. You should be able to use the normal distribution tables to look up the probabilities you need.
 
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Capitano said:
I'd like to find out what's the probability that A happens first, without any free parameters in the end, just considering all the time interval. Is that possible?
Oops, you are right. I forgot the second integral:

integrate over the diagonal half plane where ##t_A<t_B## as follows $$ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \left( \int_{-\infty}^{t_B}P(t_A,t_B)\ dt_A \right) dt_B$$ or equivalently $$ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \left(\int_{t_A}^{\infty}P(t_A,t_B)\ dt_B \right) dt_A$$

For two normally distributed random variables the result should be as @FactChecker describes
 
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