What Is the Probability Density of a Non-Wave Electron in a Box?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of probability density for an electron in a box, specifically in a scenario where the electron is not considered a wave, exploring implications in both classical and quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the notion of a non-wave electron and seeks to understand the probability density in this context.
  • Another participant argues against the wave-particle duality, suggesting it is outdated and emphasizes the importance of understanding quantum mechanics through a different lens.
  • A third participant proposes that in a non-quantum mechanical case, the probability density could be represented by the Dirac delta function, indicating a classical position, although noting that this is not physically realizable.
  • A later reply expresses understanding of the concepts discussed, indicating engagement with the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of wave-particle duality and the nature of the electron, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus on the foundational concepts discussed.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the non-wave nature of the electron and the implications for probability density, as well as the dependence on classical versus quantum mechanical frameworks.

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I've been wondering, if an electron in a box (of length L) is NOT a wave, what is the probability density in this non-quantum mechanical case?
 
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Non Quantum Mechanical case - don't get it.

But its not a wave in any usual physical sense. To see it the wave propagates in an abstract infinite dimensional Hilbert space.

The wave particle duality is a crock of the proverbial that was outdated when Dirac came up with his transformation theory in about 1927.

It persists today purely because of the semi-historical approach most textbooks take.

To see the real basis of QM check out:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

For a correct treatment of QM have a look at the first 3 chapters of Ballentine - it may be a revelation - it was for me:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9810241054/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Thanks
Bill
 
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I've been wondering, if an electron in a box (of length L) is NOT a wave, what is the probability density in this non-quantum mechanical case?

The electron is never a wave, no more so in quantum mechanics than in classical mechanics. Bhobba's observation about a "crock of the proverbial..." is indelicate but accurate.

But you're asking about the probability density for the position of the electron when quantum effects are insignificant. That will be ## \rho(x)=\delta(x-X)## where ##X## is the classical position and ##\delta## is the Dirac delta function. This solution is not physically realizable, although it is easy to construct situations (for example, all of classical mechanics) where it's a useful idealization.
 
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Thank you! I think I get it.
 
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