What is the proof of the rules of significant figures?

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The discussion revolves around the rules of significant figures, particularly in the context of multiplication and division. Participants explore the rationale behind retaining a certain number of significant figures based on the least precise measurement, examining both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • One participant requests a proof of the rules of significant figures, expressing confusion about the requirement to retain the same number of significant figures as the least precise measurement when multiplying and dividing.
  • Another participant suggests that the rules of significant figures serve more as guidelines for error analysis rather than strict rules, implying a lack of rigor in their application.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the interpretation of measured values, emphasizing that a number like 2.3 represents a range of possible values rather than a precise figure, and this uncertainty affects the calculation of derived values.
  • One participant illustrates a practical scenario involving measuring the area of a table, arguing that the precision of the measurements directly influences the meaningfulness of the calculated area, reinforcing the idea that significant figures reflect measurement uncertainty.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and justification of the rules of significant figures. There is no consensus on a definitive proof or agreement on the interpretation of these rules, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the foundational principles of significant figures, including the dependence on measurement precision and the implications for error propagation. Some assumptions about measurement techniques and their inherent uncertainties remain unaddressed.

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Please prove the rules of significant figures. I do not know why when multiplying and dividing we have to retain the same number of significant figures as in the number with the least of them.
 
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The rules of significant figures is a poor man’s version of error analysis and propagation. It is more rules of thumb about how far you can trust your precision than actual rules.
 
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Let's say for instance you have a measured value which you write as ##x = 2.3##. What that is supposed to mean is that you're confident of the 2 and the 3, but not of any further figures. You don't mean that the real value is 2.3000. You mean it's approximately 2.3. You mean that it could be 2.32. It could be 2.27. You can't distinguish between those possibilities with your measuring equipment. It's something that rounds to 2.3, so it could range from 2.25 to just under 2.35. We could write this as 2.30##\pm##0.05. Let's call this ##x + dx## where ##-0.05 \leq dx \lt 0.05## (technically it can't equal +0.5 exactly as that would round up, not down).

Now let's say we have another measured value ##y = 4.12##. On this one, I'm confident of the three digits, but no more. So actually it's 4.12##\pm##0.005 or ##y + dy## with ##-0.5 \leq dy \lt 0.5##.

What will we say about a calculated value ##z = xy##? Well since the correct values of ##x## and ##y## are actually a range of values, we have a range of possible values for ##z##.
##z + dz = (x + dx)(y + dy) = xy + y\;dx + x\;dy + dx\,dy##
So the error part that we add to ##xy## is ##dz = y dx + x dy + dx dy##.
That means that ##dz/z = (y\;dx)/z + (x\;dy)/z + dx\,dy = (y\;dx)/(xy) + (x\;dy)/(xy) + dx\,dy/(xy)## = ##(dx/x) + (dy/y) + (dx/x)(dy/y)##.
In the example we have ##dx/x = 0.05/2.3 = 0.022## a ##2.2\%## error and ##dy/y = 0.005/4.12 = 0.0012##, a ##0.12\%## error. So the relative error in ##z## is going to be at least ##2.2\% + 0.12\%##, and that last term is even smaller, a tiny fraction of a percent. So we typically ignore it.

We know ##y## to about 0.1%, but we only know ##x## to about ##2\%##, and that causes us to only know ##z## to about ##2\%##. It is the error in your least precise term that dominates in your overall error.
 
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fxdung said:
I do not know why when multiplying and dividing we have to retain the same number of significant figures as in the number with the least of them.
This isn't a "proof", rather an intuit:

You're trying to measure the area of your rectangular table to make a pattern on it out of beads. You need to go to the bead store with a value for the area to get the right amount of beads.

You use a millimetre tape measure to measure the length of your table and get a value of 1,000 millimetres (1.000 m).
Your tape measure gets busted and now you're left with only a metre stick with all the markings worn off.
You measure the width of your table and get a value of 1m. Without any markings, you have no way of knowing whether the precise width of your table is 0.5m or 1.5m or anything in between.

When you go to the bead store, what can you tell them about the area of your table?

1.000 x 1(rounded up or down) is not 1.000. You simply don't know its area to within a millimetre. All you know is that your table's area is somewhere between 0.5 and 1.5 m2.

In other words the only meaningful thing you can say, without artificially adding digits, is that your table is 1 metre square.
 

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