What is the reaction force between the ring and the hoop?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the reaction force between a ring and a hoop, specifically identifying the normal force (N) in relation to gravitational force (mg) and angular velocity (ω). The equations presented include N cos θ = mg and N sin θ = mrω² sin θ, with a critical observation that cos θ = g/(ω²r) must not exceed 1. The conclusion drawn is that if ω is sufficiently small, the right-hand side of the equation can exceed 1, indicating a limitation in the physical interpretation of the scenario.

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A circular hoop rotates with uniform angular velocity w about a vertical diameter AOB, O being the center. A smooth ring P of mass m can slide on the hoop. If θ be the angle of inclination of the radius OP to the vertical when the ring is in equilibrium with respect to the hoop, (a) find cos θ in terms of the radius of the hoop r, angular velocity w and g. (b) Find the reaction force between the ring and the hoop.
Relevant Equations
N cos θ=mg
N sin θ=mrw^2 sin θ
cos θ=g/rw^2
a.)N cos θ=mg
N sin θ=mrw^2 sin θ
cos θ=g/rw^2

b.) My question is reaction force =N ? or =F=mg tanθ ?
If it is N then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 or N=mg/cosθ =mrw^2 ?
Thank you
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I would interpret "the reaction force between the ring and the hoop" to be the normal force N.

Your answer to (a) looks good.
 
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TSny said:
I would interpret "the reaction force between the ring and the hoop" to be the normal force N.

Your answer to (a) looks good.
Thank you! Then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 ?
 
Olivia Lam said:
Thank you! Then N=mg cosθ =mg^2/r w^2 ?
Check your work here. Note that you had the correct equation Ncosθ = mg in your first post.

Also, there is something interesting about the result for part (a): cosθ = g/(ω2r).
cosθ cannot be larger than 1. But the right hand side g/(ω2r) can be larger than 1 if ω is small enough. What do you conclude from this?
 

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