What is the Relationship Between Evaporative Cooling and Gas Pressure?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between evaporative cooling and gas pressure, exploring the principles behind evaporative cooling, the mathematical relationships involved, and the assumptions made in various models. Participants examine the cooling power derived from the evaporation process and the factors influencing it, including gas pressure and humidity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes evaporative cooling as a process that extracts energetic particles from vapor, aiming to derive its cooling power based on the relationship between latent heat and gas pressure.
  • Another participant explains that the amount of heat absorbed during evaporation is related to the amount of water evaporated and the vapor pressure, suggesting that the initial equation lacks consideration of air flow and efficiency factors.
  • A participant questions whether the textbook makes oversimplifying assumptions regarding the relationship between latent heat and gas pressure.
  • Another participant argues that the calculation of evaporative cooling is complex and often inaccurate, advocating for experimental approaches and efficiency factors instead.
  • One participant mentions that the gas pressure formula is derived from the Clausius-Clapeyron equation, noting assumptions made about the fluid and gas phases, and expresses skepticism about the ideal gas approximation at low temperatures.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions made in the textbook and the complexity of accurately modeling evaporative cooling. There is no consensus on the validity of the proportionality between latent heat and gas pressure, nor on the adequacy of the ideal gas approximation in this context.

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Participants highlight limitations in the initial equation, such as the lack of air flow considerations and the need for efficiency factors in practical applications. The discussion also touches on the assumptions underlying the Clausius-Clapeyron equation and the ideal gas law, particularly at low temperatures.

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I wish to understand evaporative cooling. Apparently the principle consists in pumping the vapour above a bath, hence extracting it's most energetic corpuscles and achieving cooling.

The aim is to derive the cooling power. My textbook states:

\frac{dQ}{dt} = L\frac{dn}{dt} \propto p

L being the latent heat per mol and p the gas pressure. I don't see why the proportionality holds. Sorry if I miss something simple, I'm battling a light cold ;-)

[From here on one can use the gas pressure formula

p = p_0 \exp(-\frac{L}{RT})

to demonstrate, how with linearly decreasing temperature the cooling rate decreases exponentially]

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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Evaporative cooling simply absorbs sensible heat in the air via the latent heat of evaporation of water. How much heat you absorb is the amount of water evaporated over a period of time (dn/dt) times the latent heat per unit of water (L). How much evaporation you get depends on the vapor pressure.

This equation you list has no information about air flow and the actual process of evaporation in it. Typically, you would get dn/dt directly from the absolute humidity of the air, but you also need to assume an efficiency factor in a real device (say, 75% for a decent cooling tower). You can easily diagram the process on a psychrometric chart.
 
Thanks! So my textbook seems to make several oversimplifying assumptions, right?

What I don't get is how he gets to the relation:

L\frac{dn}{dt} \propto p
 
I don't know if I'd say oversimplifying assumptions - the math to actually calculate evaporative cooling via convection is pretty daunting and not very accurate in the real world anyway. It is best found via experimentation, giving a simple efficiency factor.

I'm not quite sure what is going on with that gas pressure formula (is that in the book too?), but I would think it should be proportional to the difference in partial pressure vs saturation pressure: ie, the relative humidity. In other words, as the relative humidity goes down, the number of moles evaporated goes up.
 
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The gas pressure formula [exponential increase with temperature] is derived in the book from the Clausius-Clapeyron equation, by neglecting the volume of the fluid phase compared to that of the gaseous one AND making an ideal gas assumption for the gas.

I suppose the ideal gas behaviour to be a really rough approximation, even for helium, since the temperatures reached are around 1K

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clausius-Clapeyron_relation" discusses the Clausius-Clapeyron equation and its less general form

\frac{dp}{dt} = \frac{Lp}{R{T}^2}

used here]
 
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