What is the relationship between frequency and cross section in a waveguide?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between frequency and cross section in waveguides, specifically focusing on the TM10 mode propagation. The original poster expresses confusion regarding how to determine the frequency of a microwave given the waveguide dimensions and the relationship between frequency, wavelength, and cross section.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions and relationships involving wavevector, frequency, and wavelength. Questions arise about the necessary information and equations needed to calculate frequency, particularly in relation to the waveguide's dimensions and modes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their understanding of wave concepts and expressing uncertainty about the information required to proceed. Some guidance regarding the cutoff frequency and its implications for propagation is mentioned, but no consensus or clear solution has emerged yet.

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Participants note the lack of sufficient information to solve the problem, including missing variables such as wave number and specific equations. The original poster has provided dimensions for the waveguide, which may influence further calculations.

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I have a question relating to waveguides. Fine, but having looked at what TE TM modes are I don't really see how I can find the frequency of the μwave with the information I have.

Homework Equations


A waveguide with dimensions a & b (short & long sides respetively) propogates in the TM10 mode.

What is the frequency of the μwave?

Now, I have as a clue "the possible modes for f can be found from the guide dimension & wavelength λ. Where λ= c/f

Lovely, but what is the relationsip of f & cross section to λ?

The Attempt at a Solution


Surely this is simple enough NOT to have to go into Maxwell's curl equations!

I just don't have enough information!
Confused, simple!
 
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Do you know what a wavevector is?
 
I have some idea, yes.
A vector in 3 dimensions with magnitude & direction which helps to describe a wave.
 
OK, now if you know the wavevector, can you calculate the frequency of the wave?
 
No. I don't think i have enough information.
I don't know which equation to use.
I also don't have a wave number, k, etc. which I need for k = (2*pi)/λ
Sorry.
 
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<br /> \omega = 2 \pi f = \frac{2 \pi}{\lambda} c = c k<br />
 
again I'm back to λ= c/f without 2 variables.
 
The point is, the transversal components of the wave vector \vec{k} can only get discrete values.
 
Roodles01 said:
I have a question relating to waveguides. Fine, but having looked at what TE TM modes are I don't really see how I can find the frequency of the μwave with the information I have.


Homework Equations


A waveguide with dimensions a & b (short & long sides respetively) propogates in the TM10 mode.

What is the frequency of the μwave?

Now, I have as a clue "the possible modes for f can be found from the guide dimension & wavelength λ. Where λ= c/f

Lovely, but what is the relationsip of f & cross section to λ?




The Attempt at a Solution


Surely this is simple enough NOT to have to go into Maxwell's curl equations!

I just don't have enough information!
Confused, simple!

Not enough info.

Any frequency higher than the cutoff frequency can propagate, limited only by the finite conductivity of the waveguide.

The cutoff freq. for your waveguide is √{(1/4πε)(1/a2)} SI.
 
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OK. I have, as dimensions short side a = 4cm & long side b = 5cm
I'm still working at it.
 

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