What is the Relationship Between Input Shaft Angle and Torque in U-Joints?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between input shaft angle and torque in U-joints, particularly in the context of selecting an electric motor for a drive mechanism. Participants explore the implications of varying angles on torque transmission and the practical limitations of U-joints at different angles.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Bret seeks clarification on how the angle of the input shaft relative to the output shaft affects torque, specifically looking for percentage increases at various angles.
  • One participant notes that the life of U-joints significantly decreases as the angle increases, suggesting that torque capacity is reduced dramatically at larger angles.
  • Another participant mentions that a shaft rated for a certain torque at a small angle can only transmit a fraction of that torque at larger angles, highlighting practical limitations.
  • Bret considers the possibility of reducing wear on U-joints by using lower RPMs or a manual crank, questioning if this would mitigate the issues discussed.
  • A participant explains that reducing output speed from a high-speed motor results in torque magnification, providing an example of how torque changes with speed reduction.
  • Bret proposes conducting a physical test to measure torque readings at various angles, indicating an intention to gather empirical data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of input shaft angles on torque, with some emphasizing the limitations of U-joints at larger angles while others explore potential solutions or adjustments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationship and practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific torque values and angles but do not provide a comprehensive framework for understanding the relationship, leaving assumptions and conditions implicit. The discussion lacks a consensus on the best approach to mitigate the issues raised.

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Hello,

I need to select an appropriate electric motor for a drive mechanism which includes a U-Joint. It's understood that rotational variances occur in U Joints as the angle of the input shaft increases relative to the output shaft. Can someone refresh my memory as this relates to torque? In other words, is there a percentage increase in torque to drive the input shaft as its angle increases to say 15, 30, 45, 90 degrees relative to the output shaft that stays at 0 degrees? If so, what's the percentage increase at each increment - or at least a general rule of thumb?

Many thanks.

Bret
 
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It's not so much the change in torque that is the problem with shafts coupled by U-joints. The life of the joint is greatly reduced once the angle increases beyond a very small amount, unless the torque applied to the joint is greatly reduced.

For instance, if a given shaft and joint is rated to transmit 300 ft-lb of torque at an angle of 3 degrees, the same shaft will only be capable of transmitting 100 ft-lb of
torque if the angle increases to 10 degrees.

For larger angles, U-jointed shafts are not practical.
 
Thanks SteamKing. Good thing that I asked. I seem to remember now about this limitation but didn't remember it to be as dramatic. I may need to reconsider the electric motor. However, don't you think that at least the wear issue could be reduced by going with lower RPMs , say under 100 RPM or even a manual crank?
 
It depends on what kind of motor you want to use. If you have a motor turning at high speed (say 1800 rpm) and you wish to reduce the output speed to 100 rpm, then the speed reduction will also result in a torque magnification. For instance:

1 ft-lb at 1800 rpm = 18 ft-lb at 100 rpm

It's hard to suggest anything without knowing more about how your drive mechanism is situated between the motor input and the output of the drive mechanism.
 
What I'll do then is jig a physical test with a torque wrench, create some resistance constant, and see what the readings are with each change of the angles. I'll post my findings.
 

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