What is the relationship between intensity and amplitude in waves?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between intensity and amplitude in wave phenomena, particularly focusing on how intensity is proportional to the square of amplitude. Participants explore scenarios involving wave sources and their collective effects on intensity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the implications of increasing amplitude by introducing multiple identical wave sources and question whether this leads to a proportional increase in energy or intensity. They also draw parallels with electrical power equations to illustrate their points.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing examples and exploring different interpretations of how amplitude affects intensity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which amplitudes add constructively, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these scenarios.

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There are considerations regarding the phase relationship between multiple wave sources and how this affects the resultant intensity. Participants also mention the potential for constructive and destructive interference when sources are not co-located.

Gauss M.D.
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This is something I don't relly get. I keep reading that the intensity of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude.

So let's suppose we have a random wave source, with amplitude A0. If we replace that source with five identical copies of it, their collective amplitude is 5A, yes? But have I really raised the energy level at the source by a factor of 25? What am I missing here?

(X-posting since I think the subforum I posted in was not appropriate)
 
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Lets look at an electrical example. Power = (voltage)^2/R. In general power is equivalent to intensity while voltage is equivalent of amplitude. If you double the voltage, the power goes up by four. If voltage goes up by 5, power goes up by 25.
 
i'll use the electrical example slightly differently …

the energy (or power) is proportional to VI (voltage times current) …

how are you going to double the current without doubling the voltage? :wink:
 
Gauss M.D. said:
This is something I don't relly get. I keep reading that the intensity of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude.

So let's suppose we have a random wave source, with amplitude A0. If we replace that source with five identical copies of it, their collective amplitude is 5A, yes? But have I really raised the energy level at the source by a factor of 25? What am I missing here?

(X-posting since I think the subforum I posted in was not appropriate)

If they are really copies of each other, the amplitudes will add and the intensity is indeed 25x.

But they must be in phase with each other.
 
Gauss M.D. said:
I keep reading that the intensity of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude.

So let's suppose we have a random wave source, with amplitude A0. If we replace that source with five identical copies of it, their collective amplitude is 5A, yes? But have I really raised the energy level at the source by a factor of 25? What am I missing here?
Consider two sources like sin(t). (Sound waves, say, except that I'll ignore attenuation with distance.) Suppose they are not co-located, so in places they will interfere constructively and in other places destructively. In general, they may be received as sin(t+α) and sin(t-α). That adds to 2 sin(t)cos(α). Squaring and integrating 0 to 2π gives 4π cos2(α). If we suppose all phase differences (α values) occur equally across a region, we can integrate wrt α and obtain an average value of 2π. A single sin(t) source gives π, so the power from two sources is double, as expected.
If the sources are exactly co-located then indeed you will get four times the power everywhere, but in this case the source is working four times as hard.
 

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