What is the Relationship Between Pressure and Height in Fluid Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure and height in fluid mechanics, particularly in the context of hydraulic systems. Participants are exploring how pressure varies with height and the implications of different cross-sectional areas in two connected tubes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive relationships between heights (h1 and h2) in two systems based on pressure and area. Some question the validity of equating forces versus pressures, while others explore the implications of different areas on the height of fluid columns.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering corrections and alternative perspectives on the relationships between pressure, height, and area. There is a mix of agreement and confusion regarding the correct approach to equate pressures and the implications of the systems' configurations.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of pressure equations and the relevance of volume in the systems. Participants are also navigating the implications of different cross-sectional areas on the fluid heights.

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The correct answer to this problem is h2 = h1 but I don't get it. According to what I understand,

F=p/A

So for the Tube on the left:

F1 = P/A = (\rho*g*h1)/A1

For tube on the right:

F1 = P/A = (\rho*g*h1)/3*A1

I get h2=3h1 (i know if you think about it this does not make sense, but i don't what i am not getting).
 

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I think your solution is wrong... it should come h1=3h2...but it's the last line of the question that's bugging me... i think we got to understand h2 relative to h1...
 
This problem illustrates the concept of a hydraulic piston.

First of all, a small minor correction in your formula where F=P*A, not F=P/A.

Next, you have to accept the principle that for a given fixed depth a body of water will always have the same pressure everywhere. This means the pressure where the force F is applied in the left column is the same pressure at the same elevation in the right column. I think you made the mistake of equating forces which is not correct. If you equate the pressures then I think you'll see h1 = h2.

A hydraulic piston or cylinder is a way to use a small force over a large distance to move a large force over a small distance.
 
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paisiello2 said:
This problem illustrates the concept of a hydraulic piston.

First of all, a small minor correction in your formula where F=P*A, not F=P/A.

Next, you have to accept the principle that for a given fixed depth a body of water will always have the same pressure everywhere. This means the pressure where the force F is applied in the left column is the same pressure at the same elevation in the right column. I think you made the mistake of equating forces which is not correct. If you equate the pressures then I think you'll see h1 = h2.

A hydraulic piston or cylinder is a way to use a small force over a large distance to move a large force over a small distance.

Yeah I agree the equation i had was wrong..but how can the height of the water level on system B be equal to System A when the area on the system B is 3 times the area of system A? I mean the volume of water on both system is same..where would the extra water for system B come from?

Doing math i do get h2=h1

For system B:

Fout = 3F1
P=(3F1)/(3A1) = F1/A1
ρgh1=F1/A1
h1=F1/(A1*ρ*g)

For system A:
Fout=Fin
ρgh2=F1/A1
h2=F1/(A1*ρ*g)

So h1=h2
 
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The volume of water is irrelevant in both systems. It could be the same or they could have added more water, it makes no difference to the answer.

I think you might still be trying to equate forces so starting with Fout and Fin seems confusing to me and also I think you mixed up h1 and h2 between the two systems.

Just equate the pressures P1 = P2 and I think it would answer your question immediately.
 

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