What is the Relationship Between Track Growth and Universe Expansion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the growth of a track and the expansion of the universe, using a hypothetical scenario involving a walker on a stretching track. Participants explore the implications of the track's expansion on the walker's distance and the mathematical reasoning behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Treval questions how the walker can be 98 meters away after 10 seconds, suggesting that the track should grow to 101 meters instead.
  • Treval seeks clarification on the meaning of "the track grows 1 meter for every 100 meters every second."
  • Treval asks how the conclusion of 460 seconds for the walker to reach them is derived.
  • Treval inquires about the reasoning behind the track growing to 10000 meters in length.
  • Chris explains that the track's growth means it stretches by 1 meter for every 100 meters every second, providing an example with a 500 meter track.
  • Chris notes a limitation in their mathematical ability regarding Treval's questions.
  • Another participant suggests that calculus is necessary to compute the impact of the track's expansion on the walker's movement.
  • A reference to a paper by Lineweaver and Davis is provided, which discusses misconceptions about cosmological horizons and expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, particularly regarding the calculations and implications of the track's expansion on the walker's distance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mathematical reasoning involved, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the scenario.

Treval
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factors:

- you are on a 100 meter track
- person A walks towards you
- person A takes a 1 meter step every second
- track grows longer as person A walks
- track grows 1 meter for every 100 meters every second
- after 10 seconds, the walker has taken 10 steps, but the remaining 89 meters has grown so that he still has 98 meters from you
- another 10 seconds and he still is almost 97 meters away
- It will take him 460 seconds to reach you; during this time, the track is stretched so that it's now 10000 meters long.

My questions are:

- I don't understand how he becomes the result '98 meters away from you'. In my reasoning, track grows up to 101 meters because the track itself is already 100 meters.
Perhaps I'm wrong?

- What exactly does he mean by "the track grows 1 meter for every 100 meters every second"?

- How does he conclude that person A needs 460 seconds to reach me?

- How does he conclude that the track has grown 10000 meters long?


Many thanks for your cooperation.

Regards,
Treval
 
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The track grows 1 meter for every 100 meters every second means that for every second that passes during Person A's walk, the track stretches by 1 meter for every 100 meters of existing track. So if we were to start with a 500 meter track, after one second the track would stretch 5 meters, so it would be 505 meters. One meter for every hundred meters. Once the track reaches 600 meters, it will then be stretching at a rate of 6m/s. Unfortunately I royally suck at math, so I can't help with question 2 or 3.

Hopefully that helped.

Chris
 
The primary answer is that the track is stretching the entire time, so you basically have to use calculus to compute how the rate of movement of the person is impacted by the rate of expansion of the track.
 
You might be interested in a paper by Lineweaver and Davis:
"Expanding Confusion: common misconceptions of cosmological horizons and the superluminal expansion of the Universe"
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808
 

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