What is the relationship between work and potential energy?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between work and potential energy, specifically in the context of gravitational potential energy and the work done by external forces in lifting objects against gravity. Participants explore the implications of different equations related to work and energy as presented in a physics text.

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  • Participants question the apparent contradiction in the equations for work and potential energy, particularly the presence or absence of negative signs. They also discuss the role of external forces, such as a hand or a rocket booster, in performing work against gravity.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their interpretations and seeking clarification on the concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of work done by external agents and the relationship between work and changes in energy. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants express confusion over the differences in equations used in various scenarios and the implications of gravitational potential energy being negative. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic, particularly for those who have not yet taken formal physics courses.

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Hi, I haven't taken physics yet, but I am reading a Sparknotes Physics book for fun, and there's something that i don't understand

In one part of the book, when it was talking about basic energy stuff it said that - ΔU = W

http://www.sparknotes.com/physics/workenergypower/conservationofenergy/terms.html

but then a few chapters later it shows a problem with potential gravitational energy, and

it said "W= U2 - U1" ... what happened to the negative sign?


(no source, since the website on this chapter is not current)
 
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Probably the later reference has some outside agent (a person?)
doing Work against the gravitational Force.
If the motion is always slow, then the person's Force is opposite gravity's
(that is, F by person = NEGATIVE F by gravity).

So that Energy is *transferred* as the Force application point is moved.
 
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Hmm...im not sure

but here is the actual problem

A satellite of mass m is launched from the surface of the Earth into an orbit of radius 2r, where r is the radius of the Earth. How much work is done to get it into orbit?
 
W = U2-U1 = -G(m1m2)/2r - -Gm1m2/r

in the book it said potential grav. energy is -G(m1m2)/r where r is displacement and m1 is object mass, m2 is Earth mass
 
It takes an "outside agent" (a rocket booster!) that does Work
to get the satellite into orbit ...
gravity's Force removes Energy from the satellite as the satellite rises.

By the way, Grav.P.E. is negative, which reminds us that we are trapped
down here ... we need to add Energy to something just to get it far away,
and additional Energy to make it go fast there.
 
hmmm..ok i sort of get it
 
I guess I should have said (in post #2) that

The Work done by gravity's Force = - Delta U = - Ufinal - Uinitial .

To lift something, your Force apllied to that thing
is (approx) the negative of gravity's Force applied to it.
 
you mean -DeltaU = -(Ufinal - U).

but what is the difference between a hand picking up an object against gravity, and a rocketbooster boosting a rocket against gravity?
shouldn't they be using the same formula?
but what I am seeing is the first problem uses W=-DeltaU and the latter uses W=DeltaU...

ugh, I can't wait to take physics next year
 
In both cases the work done by the outside force--hand or rocket--will equal the change in total mechanical energy (PE + KE).
 

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