What is the role of 'd' in defining a plane's normal form?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the role of the constant 'd' in the normal form of a plane equation, specifically in the context of the equation nx + ny + nz + d = 0. Participants explore how 'd' relates to the position of the plane in a coordinate system and its distance from the origin.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive the value of 'd' in the plane equation, indicating a lack of understanding of its significance.
  • Another participant suggests that 'd' defines how far the plane is from the origin of the coordinate system, but does not elaborate on the specifics of this distance.
  • A participant rephrases their question to inquire about the specific point on the plane that 'd' measures the distance to from the origin, expressing uncertainty about their understanding.
  • One participant explains the derivation of the plane's vector equation and how 'd' is calculated based on a point on the plane and its normal vector, providing a mathematical framework for understanding 'd'.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify that 'd' represents the distance from the origin to the point where a line normal to the plane intersects it, suggesting a geometric interpretation of 'd'.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the role of 'd', with some seeking clarification while others provide explanations. There is no consensus on a definitive interpretation of 'd', and multiple views on its significance remain present.

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Participants have not fully resolved the relationship between 'd' and specific points on the plane, nor have they established a clear definition of how 'd' is calculated in different contexts.

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Hi guys,

I am sort of new here. So I am not pretty sure if I am to post this question in here.

I am a software programmer and I need to write a class for defining a plane. I came across the plane in its normal form nx+ny+nz+d=0

I need to feed in the values of the plane from another part of my program.

I can understand that nx,ny and nz are the normals of the plane. So where does the d come from. How exactly do you arrive at the value of d;

May sound very basic but then it would be nice if some one could help me out
 
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The equation should read nxx+nyy+nzz+d=0. d essentially defines how far the plane is from the origin of the coordinate system.
 
If I may rephrase my question:

If the orign of my co ordinate system is (0,0,0) then d is the distance between (0,0,0) and which point on the plane ? Or am I totally misunderstanding this?? Can you please explain
 
Ok, let us first try to come up with the vector equation of the plane, and then we will switch to cartesian coordinates, and you will probbably see how the d comes into play.

A plane is generally uniqely determined by a point call it [tex]P_o(x_o,y_o,z_o)[/tex] and a vector normal on the plane [tex]n=<a,b,c>[/tex]

Now, let P(x,y,z) be any other point in the plane, then its position vector would be:

[tex]r=<x,y,z>[/tex]

while let

[tex]r_o=<x_o,y_o,z_o>[/tex] be the position vector to the point P_o.

Now, if you draw a picture you will se that the following relation holds:

[tex](r-r_o)*n=0[/tex]

"*" holds for the dot product. Notice that (r-ro) and n are normal vectors.

Now, switching to the coordinate representation of the above vectors we get:

[tex]<x-x_o,y-y_o,z-z_o>*<a,b,c>=0=>a(x-x_o)+b(y-y_o)+c(z-z_o)=0[/tex]

After rearranging the stuff in there we get:

[tex]ax+by+cz-(ax_o+by_o+cz_o)=0[/tex]

So,

[tex]d=-(ax_o+by_o+cz_o)[/tex]
 
oh..
many thanks for explaining stuff to me.. I got confused after looking at many websites none of which gave me what d is .

Thanks anyways
 
sundar0206 said:
If I may rephrase my question:

If the orign of my co ordinate system is (0,0,0) then d is the distance between (0,0,0) and which point on the plane ? Or am I totally misunderstanding this?? Can you please explain
Take a line normal to the plane starting at the origin. This line will hit the plane at a distance d from the origin. The hit point will have coordinates (-dnx,-dny,-dnz)
 

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