Projection of a point on the plane defined by 3 other points.

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical problem of projecting a point onto a plane defined by three other points. Participants explore methods for calculating this projection, including trilateration and averaging techniques, while considering the potential for academic contribution.

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  • One participant inquires about existing solutions for projecting a point onto a plane defined by three points, expressing uncertainty about the availability of resources.
  • Another participant confirms that the problem is routine and suggests defining the projection method to perform the transformation.
  • A participant elaborates on their approach involving trilateration and averaging symmetric solutions to find the orthogonal projection of a fourth point onto the defined plane.
  • One participant describes the mathematical process of determining the plane's equation using vectors from the three points and outlines how to find the projection of the fourth point using the perpendicular line to the plane.
  • Some participants note that the exercises discussed are standard in undergraduate algebra courses and suggest that the original poster may not find relevant literature in academic journals.
  • Another participant encourages the original poster to consider formalizing their approach as a good exercise for writing academic papers.

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There is no consensus on whether the original poster's approach is novel, as some participants suggest the problem is standard and well-documented in textbooks. The discussion reflects differing views on the originality of the topic and the appropriate resources for finding solutions.

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Participants mention limitations in computational tools and the challenges faced when attempting to solve the problem using software, indicating potential issues with memory and processing capabilities.

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Is there already a solution to this available somewhere?

Am I not googling it right?

I did come upon solutions for this with a point and plane defined by way of vectors and normals but not points.

Have I stumbled upon a blank I can fill? Is there room here for a math paper?

My approach is trilateration and averaging of the symmetric (with respect to the plane) solutions. Then simplifying the result.

Naturally, I need only calculate the solution for one coordinate axis. The rest will be analogues.

Thanks for any advice.
 
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Welcome to PF;
You are correct - this is something that is pretty routine.
The three points define a plane - then you define what you mean by "projection of a point" and perform the associated transformation.
 
Thank you.

I think a paper is in order, though.

Yes, I know the 3 points define the plane. I want to compute the orthogonal projection of the given 4th point on the plane defined by the other 3 given points.

Knowing all 4 points I can compute the respective distances from the one to the 3.

Then I can compute by trilateration the 2 points (of which one is the very point I need to project and the other is its symmetric with respect to the plane defined by the other 3 given points) that satisfy those 3 distances in space from their afferent reference points (an intersection of 3 spheres).

Except I don't actually do that but instead average the solutions together before I compute them as I'm interested in their mean, not their actual selves. Their mean will give me the mid-way point, which lies smack-dab on the plane.

Then I simplify the result. It should be something analogous to this:

docs.google

I just don't want to be a dunce and go to the trouble of writing a paper on a subject one has already been written about. But I just can't find anything resembling what I'm after. I searched on arxiv too.

And I have to do this by hand, MathCAD and Mathematica couldn't solve the system for me.

They fail by memory overrunning.

I also tried a couple of free online alternatives that failed the same way.
 
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Given three points, the equation of the plane they determine can be found by looking at the vectors from one point to the other two. That is, if the three points are [itex](x_0, y_0, z_0)[/itex], [itex](x_1, y_1, z_1)[/itex], and [itex](x_2, y_2, z_2)[/itex] then two vectors in the plane are [itex]\vec{A}= (x_1- x_0)\vec{i}+ (y_1- y_0)\vec{j}+ (z_1- z_0)\vec{k}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{B}= (x_2- x_0)\vec{i}+ (y_2- y_0)\vec{j}+ (z_2- z_0)\vec{k}[/itex]. The cross product of those two vectors, [itex]A\times B= C_x\vec{i}+ C_y\vec{j}+ C_z\vec{k}[/itex] is perpendicular to the plane and the equation of the plane is [itex]C_x(x- x_0)+ C_y(y- y_0)+ C_z(z- z_0)= 0[/itex]. If (a, b, c) is some fourth point, then the line [itex]x= a+ C_xt[/itex], [itex]y= b+ C_yt[/itex], [itex]z= c+ C_xt[/itex] is the line perpendicular to the plane through (a, b, c). Replacing x, y, and z in the equation of the plane by those gives [itex]C_x(C_xt+ a- x_0)+ C_y(C_yt+ b- y_0)+ C_z(C_zt+ c- z_0)= 0[/itex] can be solved for t and then (x, y, z) can be calculated.
 
The exercises you describe are standard in undergraduate algebra courses - so you won't find them in recent academic journals. You should have been looking in textbooks, not arxiv et al.
HallsofIvy has illustrated the basic method.

Try search terms like "find the closest point on a plane"
 
Simon Bridge said:
The exercises you describe are standard in undergraduate algebra courses - so you won't find them in recent academic journals. You should have been looking in textbooks, not arxiv et al.
HallsofIvy has illustrated the basic method.

Try search terms like "find the closest point on a plane"

I did it in high school...
 
OTOH: learning to write something like this up formally is good exercise for writing actual papers.
 

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