What is the role of the Axiom of Choice in algebraic structures?

[Hurkyl]

I was wondering: what is the proof idea behind results such as:

(Every vector space has a basis) iff AoC
(All bases for a vector space have the same cardinality) iff AoC
(Every field has an algebraic closure) iff AoC

One direction is obvious, but I have no idea how to begin the other!


As a related question, what is the status of (all algebraic closures of a given field are isomorphic), relative to the AoC?

 

[matt grime]

I wouldn't have thought that AoC had any impact on this one. The construction of the isomorphism is explicit (and unique) in that it is defined simply by extending the isomorphism on the base field and there is no choice required to do this (as I say, it is a unique isomorphism).

There is a book showing all the equivalences of the axiom of choice (or perhaps not all of them but a lot of them), whose name escapes me but must be something involving the axiom of choice. I'll try to locate it.

http://www.math.purdue.edu/~jer/cgi-bin/conseq.html

Seems to be it.

 

[Hurkyl]

There are choices to make in extending the isomorphism. In fact, if they truly are isomorphic, then there are |Gal(F-bar / F)| different isomorphisms!

I can't figure out how to extend the isomorphism of the base fields without at least having the two closures be well-orderable.

 

[matt grime]

Ah, my mistake, it is not unique up to unique isomorphism for the trivial reason you point out.

 

[CrankFan]

There is a book showing all the equivalences of the axiom of choice (or perhaps not all of them but a lot of them), whose name escapes me but must be something involving the axiom of choice. I'll try to locate it.Seems to be it.

Could that be Equivalents of The Axiom of Choice? There is a second edition/volume? here here

 

[mathwonk]

i have little insight about this question hence will stab at it anyhow.

ax ch is to me a trivial statement about whether something exists or not that clearly does exist, such as a right inverse to a surjective function.

i consider the controversy merely an argument about the formal meaning of "exist" for a set, or function.

anyway, if one denies ax ch, then there is a surjective function with no right inverse. this is not too far from a bijective function with no inverse, or a pair of sets with the same cardinality that one cannot prove have the same cardinality.

such nonsense may suggest the answer to your question.

 

[HallsofIvy]

The proof I learned uses Zorn's Lemma which is equivalent to Axiom of Choice:

Given a set X and an order relation "\le" on X, if every chain (a subset of X such that "\le" is a linear order) has a maximum, then X has maximal elements (That is, there exist at least one x in X such that y\le x[/tex] for every y that is &quot;comparable&quot; to x)<br /> <br /> Let V be a linear vector space and {v} be a singleton set (and so independent) and let X be the collection of all set of all independent subsets of V. Let X be &quot;ordered by inclusion&quot; (A\leB if and only if A is a subset of B). If Y is a chain (a collection of subsets such that each is a subset of another) then the union of all sets in Y is also an set if independent vectors (prove this yourself) and so is a maximum for Y. By Zorn&#039;s lemma there exist at least one maximal set of independent vectors, U. This set, U, is a basis for V (It is, by definition, independent. Assume it does not span V. Then there exist a vector v in V that cannot be written as a linear combination of vectors in U. Show that adding v to U results in an independent subset of V containing U, contradicting the fact that U is maximal.).

 

[matt grime]

As Hurkyl says, it is obvious how to show that AoC implies every vector space has a basis, but how does the reverse implication go? I know (at least I think I know) it was proven by Blass but I've not looked up the proof.

 

[matt grime]

A. Blass, Existence of bases implies the axiom of choice, in Axiomatic Set Theory, Contemporary Mathematics, 31 (1984) 31 - 33. MR 86a:04001

is the reference should anyone have that journal at hand.

I probably have it at work: Bristol was very heavily into set theory and such things pre 1990

 

[Hurkyl]

Could that be Equivalents of The Axiom of Choice? There is a second edition/volume?

The library had a 1970 edition of it, but it doesn't seem all that helpful. It's section on algebraic equivalents to the AC are either about lattices, or universal algebras. While this vast generality is useful for, say, using the AC to prove every vector space has a basis, it isn't so helpful for the reverse direction. And I'm not even sure if any of its algebraic equivalents relate to algebraic closures of fields!

 

[Don Aman]

that any two bases have same cardinality is not equivalent to choice; it's strictly weaker.

 

[andytoh]

(Every vector space has a basis) implies (Axiom of Choice)
Ok, I typed in google:

JSTOR axiom of choice basis

and I got this:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9939(196606)17%3A3%3C670%3ABIVSAT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Q

This paper is dated 1966, and thus probably is the original proof. So is this the best way to find a specific proof? Go to google and type JSTOR + the key words?

Is there a more systematic way than to rely on google? How do mathematicians find specific papers from the past? I still don't understand the system of math journals.