What is the science behind DC DC plasma transformers?

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The discussion centers around the concept of DC DC plasma transformers, exploring their operational principles and similarities to tokamak current drive systems. Participants seek to understand the mechanisms involved in these transformers, particularly how magnetic fields interact with plasma to induce currents.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the workings of DC DC plasma transformers and seeks explanations, mentioning Rick Nebels' involvement in the research.
  • Another participant questions the existence of net current flow in a tokamak, seeking clarification on the relationship between the magnetic fields and plasma behavior.
  • A participant explains that in a tokamak, the toroidal field is produced by electromagnets, and a current is induced in the plasma, which creates its own electromagnetic field that interacts with external fields.
  • There is a suggestion that the plasma's current-carrying property could be utilized similarly to a transformer core, with the potential for induced currents from a steady DC input.
  • One participant notes that to induce a current magnetically, the magnetic field must vary over time, contrasting static fields used for confinement.
  • A reference to Nassim Haramein's work is mentioned, although it is met with skepticism regarding the credibility of his scientific claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms of DC DC plasma transformers or the specifics of current flow in tokamaks. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the operational principles and the validity of referenced works.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of the underlying physics, and there are unresolved questions about the nature of magnetic fields and plasma interactions. The discussion includes references to external sources that may not be universally accepted.

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Good day , while reading about DC DC converters I stumbled upon some papers discussing a DC DC plasma transformer , the science behind it being similar to tokamak current drive or so they say , I tried to search various links for some information to get a clue about how it works but I couldn't find any info that I could understand , could some of you folks help me out with some explanations ?

A scientist named Rick Nebels is working on it as much as I can tell.
I would love to know the how it works , like do they apply a steady magnetic field from a DC winding to the plasma and the plasma somehow self oscillates to create a waveform in the secondary or what ?
 
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Salvador said:
Good day , while reading about DC DC converters I stumbled upon some papers discussing a DC DC plasma transformer , the science behind it being similar to tokamak current drive or so they say , I tried to search various links for some information to get a clue about how it works but I couldn't find any info that I could understand , could some of you folks help me out with some explanations ?

A scientist named Rick Nebels is working on it as much as I can tell.
I would love to know the how it works , like do they apply a steady magnetic field from a DC winding to the plasma and the plasma somehow self oscillates to create a waveform in the secondary or what ?

Hmm, yeah, all a Google search comes up with is traditional transformers to make high voltages for creating plasmas...

Do you have a pointer to the Tokamak B-field drive that you mention? I wasn't aware that there was a net current flow around a Tokamak in the plasma. Is there one?
 
In a tokamak, the toroidal field is produced by electromagnets that surround the torus, and the poloidal field is the result of a toroidal electric current that flows inside the plasma. This current is induced inside the plasma with a second set of electromagnets.

This is from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

As much as I understand I would say yes , firstly there are plasma confining electromagnets but there is also a current induced into the plasma so in the end the plasma creates its own EM field which pushes against the em field of the outer physical windings, this is how much I understand.
Looks like somehow the people working on the polywell have thought out how to use this plasma current carrying property to use the plasma as a sort of "flowing" iron core like in a typical transformer , the difference that in a typical transformer applying a steady DC would not result in a induced current but applying the same to a plasma induces somekind of flow which further can induce secondary currents ,

although as I said this is just a skecth and I kow nothing more I would really enjoy if someone could shed some light here.
 
berkeman , anyone?
 
To induce a current magnetically, the magnetic field needs to vary (increase) in time. Otherwise, one has a static field, which would be useful for confinement, but not for forcing a current in the plasma.

In a tokamak that uses resistive heating in the plasma, the gas/plasma behaves as a single winding, much like the winding in a normal transformer. One can pulse the current which causes a toroidal field, which acts on the charges to compress the plasma (j x B).
 
Nassim Haramein is using plasma in his patent. this information may be helpful.
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I looked up Nassim and even though this thread is old I just want to point out he is one of those crazy folks who mixes science with various kinds of new age dogma about people all being one consciousness and being god like BS.
He literally makes science a religion.I suggest JeffVan you don't take him seriously.
 
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