What is the Setup Called that Collects Water from the Cu Reduction Process?

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The discussion revolves around the setup used to collect water from the copper reduction process, specifically focusing on the reactions involved and the components of the setup. Participants explore the chemistry behind the process and the role of various elements in the setup.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the name of the setup used to collect water from the copper reduction process.
  • Another participant suggests it is called a hydrogen generator, but acknowledges this is only part of the setup.
  • There is uncertainty about the specific name of the setup, with a participant suggesting it may not have a particular name.
  • Participants discuss the chemical reactions occurring in different parts of the setup, including the flask and drying tubes.
  • One participant proposes the reaction in the flask as Zn + 2HCl -> ZnCl2 + H2 and the reaction in the CuO sample as H2 + CuO -> Cu + H2O.
  • There is a discussion about the role of CaCl2 in capturing water vapor and its mass change during the experiment.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the equations for the hydration of CaCl2 and discuss the different hydrates that can form.
  • One participant questions whether the setup can be used to calculate the amounts of H2 and H2O produced, receiving mixed responses regarding its effectiveness.
  • Clarification is provided that the second drying tube collects water from the Cu reduction process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific name of the setup, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the effectiveness of the setup for calculating the amounts of hydrogen and water produced. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the reactions and the definitions of terms used, as well as unresolved details about the mass changes in the drying tubes.

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What is this setup called?
 

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Hydrogen generator.
 
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I can't seem to find hydrogen generator on wikipedia or other chemistry sites. Could you direct me to a link or tell me how it works?
 
Actually this is more complicated, hydrogen generator is just a part of the setup, and I doubt this particular setup has any particular name.

Can you try to guess what are reactions taking place in the flask, in the tube with CuO sample and in the drying tubes?
 
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In the flask:
Zn + 2HCl -> ZnCl2 + H2

In the drying tube:
I am not sure - maybe something to do with the water vapour?

In the CuO sample:
H2 + CuO -> Cu + H2O
 
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In the drying tube:
I am not sure - maybe something to do with the water vapour?

Yes, water is captured by CaCl2 as hydration water. And (that's one of the most important things in this experiment) mass of CaCl2 changes. You can easily check by how much it changed, you can also easily check by how much mass of CuO changed during reduction. That gives a nice starting point for many stoichiometry experiments.
 
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I can't think of any equations for hydration of CaCl2, could you give me some hints? Or does it create one of these things: CaCl2.H2O?

That gives a nice starting point for many stoichiometry experiments.

So are you saying that this setup is good to calculate the amount of H2 and H2O? Also what does the second drying tube
 
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does it create one of these things: CaCl2.H2O?

Yes, there are several hydrates with different numbers of hydration waters, CaCl2⋅2H2O, CaCl2⋅2H4O and CaCl2⋅6H2O.

So are you saying that this setup is good to calculate the amount of H2 and H2O?

Hydrogen? No. But you can easily check how much oxygen was lost from the CuO and how much water was produced in this process.

Also what does the second drying tube

Its mass change during the experiment - why?
 
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Also what does the second drying tube
Its mass change during the experiment - why?

I didn't finished typing it seems. What I meant was what does the second drying tube do? Does it just collect water from the Cu reduction process?
 
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Does it just collect water from the Cu reduction process?

Yes, that's exactly what it does.
 
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