What Is The Sky - Gazing Into Space?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the cosmos as perceived from Earth, specifically questioning whether there is a definite boundary to the universe or if we are simply observing empty space. Participants explore concepts related to the size and structure of the universe, the implications of light travel time, and the cosmic microwave background radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe is probably infinite and may not have a definite boundary, suggesting that space is predominantly empty.
  • Others argue that when observing distant objects, we are also looking back in time due to the finite speed of light, with the cosmic microwave background representing a limit to our view.
  • A later reply questions the interpretation of "definite boundary," suggesting that while there is a boundary in terms of the surface of last scattering, it may not align with the common understanding of a boundary.
  • One participant notes that the cosmic microwave background radiation is a significant aspect of what we observe, emphasizing its presence across the sky despite being redshifted into the microwave region due to the expansion of space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a boundary in the universe and the interpretation of what is observed when gazing into space. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the universe, the interpretation of light travel time, and the implications of the cosmic microwave background, which are not fully resolved.

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When we look up into the cosmos wt we see at the end is a definite boundary or are we just gazing at empty space?
 
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Universe is probably infinite and if even it is finite it probably does not have any definite boundary.
Space is big. Too big. It is mostly empty. Yes, you are gazing at empty space.
 
When we look in the distance, we also look in the past due to the finite speed of light. The cosmic microwave background is light, emitted approximately 300000 years after the big bang. This is the limit of our view with electromagnetic waves. While it would be possible to look a bit further with gravitational waves, it would just shift the limit, with the big bang as ultimate limit.[/size]

The boundary is related to the finite age of the universe, not the size of the universe (which may or may not be finite, but probably without boundary)
 
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When we look up into the cosmos wt we see at the end is a definite boundary or are we just gazing at empty space?
Certainly not empty space, and depending on what you mean by "definite boundary", not that either. There most certainly is "definite boundary" in a sense, the surface of last scattering. However, I doubt this is what you meant by "definite boundary".

Look at all frequencies (not just visible) in any direction that isn't blocked by some intervening object and what you will see is a near uniform microwave. This is the cosmic microwave background radiation. The CMBR would be an intense orange-yellow glow all over the sky were it not for the expansion of space. The expansion of space has redshifted this well into the microwave region. We can't see it with our eyes, but we can see it with radar. It was first detected as a strange noise that radar developers just could not seem to get rid of.
 

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