What is the solution to the improper integral of 1/x?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the improper integral of the function 1/x from a positive constant a to infinity. Participants explore the nature of this integral, its convergence, and its implications in the context of electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of the limit of the integral, suggesting that it might exist despite the logarithm tending to infinity.
  • Another participant calculates the integral and concludes that it diverges to infinity, asserting that the limit does not exist.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the divergence of the integral, noting that the function approaches zero as b approaches infinity.
  • Another participant clarifies that just because the function approaches zero does not guarantee the integral's convergence, using the example of 1/x^2 as a contrasting case.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the divergence of the integral and the divergence of the harmonic series, noting that both grow slowly to infinity.
  • A participant reflects on the implications of using an infinite charge distribution in electrostatics, suggesting that this may lead to an infinite potential due to the behavior of the 1/x function.
  • Another participant points out that the logarithmic function's nature contributes to the improper classification of the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the integral diverges, but there are differing views on the implications of this divergence and the behavior of related functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications in electrostatics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the behavior of integrals involving functions that approach zero, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of convergence and divergence.

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OK, so I'm trying to work out this:
\int^{\infty}_a \frac{\dx}{x}
Where a is a positive constant. Can you evaluate this analytically? I'm thinking the limit must exist, but \ln \left( \infty \right) = \infty , or at least tends to it in the limit. So can someone tell me the deal?

p.s. There's a dx ontop of that fraction, which has mysteriously disappeared into the abyss.
 
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\int_a^\infty\frac{dx}{x}=\lim_{b\rightarrow\infty}\int_a^b\frac{dx}{x}=\lim_{b\rightarrow\infty}[\ln b-\ln a]=\infty

So the limit does not exist.
 
This seems very strange to me, seeing as
\lim_{b \rightarrow \infty } \frac{1}{b} = 0 . The matter arose while I was trying to find an electric potential in electrostatics by integrating the electric field from infinity to the point in question. The field was proportional to the reciprocal of the distance.
 
Just because the function you are integrating goes to zero, it doesn't mean that the integral will be defined. Integrals like \int_a^\infty\frac{dx}{x^2} are defined, but functions like 1/x go to zero too "slowly" for the integral to converge.
 
Yeah, it's odd that the the integral of 1/x diverges, even if it diverges very very slowly. It's the same for the summation:

\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{1}{k} = \infty
 
speeding electron said:
This seems very strange to me, seeing as
\lim_{b \rightarrow \infty } \frac{1}{b} = 0 . The matter arose while I was trying to find an electric potential in electrostatics by integrating the electric field from infinity to the point in question. The field was proportional to the reciprocal of the distance.
Two important points. The electric field decreases with the square of the distance. That's why the integral converges. As far as 1/x goes, just keep in mind that while the curve might approach the axis as x->inf it doesn't mean that the the area under the curve does.

Pete
 
Notice that in the series 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 +...

That the first term is 1/2, the sum of next two terms is > 1/2, the sum of th3 next four is > 1/2, and the sum of the next eight terms is > 1/2, etc...,

so the sum grows very slowly to as large as you like. I.e. at each stage, it always takes "twice as long" to get larger by another 1/2 as it did before, but it eventually does so.
 
OK thanks, I think the trouble with my electrostatics lay in the fact that I was using an approximation to an infinite charge distribution, in which case (i.e. an idealized one) the potential may well be infinite. How ill-behaved of 1/x to keep eeking out a living.
 
The logarithmic functions are increasing functions if the base is larger than 1. That's why this integral is improper.
 

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