What is the Solution to This Difficult Bouyancy Question?

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The discussion revolves around a buoyancy problem involving the weight of a metal object submerged in water and the calculation of its density based on the principles of buoyancy and displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the volume of displaced water and subsequently the mass and density of the metal object. Some participants question the necessity of computing the buoyant force and suggest alternative reasoning based on the relationship between weight and buoyant force.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying concepts related to buoyancy and weight. There is a mix of attempts to compute values and discussions about the underlying principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding simplifying the approach, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

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The original poster expresses urgency in seeking help and questions whether it is acceptable to ask for hints or working out. There is also mention of imposed homework rules regarding the level of computation expected.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F = ma
F = pVg
p = m/V

3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
First i tried finding the volume of displaced water which i did by...

(50/1000) * 10 = 1000 * 10 * V ---> V = 0.00005 m^3
Next as the metal sits on the bottom its weight force minus the buoyant force contributes to the 100 g mass increase (1 N increase) in weight force on the scales. Using this we can find Mass
Buoyant force provided by 50g water = 0.5 N
Therefore weight force of metal = 1 N - 0.5 N = 0.5 N

F = ma
0.5 = m *10
m = 0.05 kg

p = m/V = 0.05 / 0.00005 m^3
p = 1000...
Which is dead wrong.
Answer says its B.) but i don't know how.
I'm sorry to ask but i urgently need the answer to this one.
Is it ok to ask for working out, or a really big hint?

Thanks in advance
Adam
 
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1 N is the weight minus the buoyant force ... so what do you need to do with the buoyant force and 1 N to get the weight?

Also, computing the buoyant force is to overcomplicate things ...
 
Orodruin said:
1 N is the weight minus the buoyant force ... so what do you need to do with the buoyant force and 1 N to get the weight?

Also, computing the buoyant force is to overcomplicate things ...
hello sorry for the late reply...
Orodruin said:
1 N is the weight minus the buoyant force ... so what do you need to do with the buoyant force and 1 N to get the weight?

Also, computing the buoyant force is to overcomplicate things ...
oh i see. so you need to add the buoyant force?
you then get 1 + 0.5 = 1.5N
1.5 N ---> 0.15 kg
0.15/0.00005 = 3000
thanks a lot!
but i don't get why you added, ill have to think about it
 
Orodruin said:
1 N is the weight minus the buoyant force ... so what do you need to do with the buoyant force and 1 N to get the weight?

Also, computing the buoyant force is to overcomplicate things ...

ok i understand now, the mass of the ball at the bottom already has buoyant force accounted for and so if it was out of the water it would have that weight force added back to it.
thanks a lot for helping me with my stupidity

if i may ask how would you go about this without calculating anything? i think that's too advanced for me
 
Adam Rabe said:
if i may ask how would you go about this without calculating anything? i think that's too advanced for me
You will always need to do some computation. However, the easiest way is to note that the weight of the ball is 3 times that of the water removed and the volume is the same. Therefore, the density is three times that of water.
 

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