What is the Speed of Sound in Air?

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The problem involves calculating the speed of sound based on the time it takes for an echo to return after a hiker shouts towards a cliff. The distance to the cliff is given as 685 meters, and the echo is heard 4 seconds later. Participants are discussing the correct interpretation of the time and distance in relation to the speed of sound in air.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between distance and time for echoes, questioning why the time is halved in the calculation for speed. Some express confusion about the concept of echoes and how they relate to the problem.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the echo concept, with some participants providing clarifications and others seeking further explanation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the time taken for sound to travel to the cliff and back.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention a lack of prior knowledge about echoes, indicating that this may be a new concept for them. There is also a reference to posting guidelines, suggesting that clarity in communication is important in the discussion.

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i'm doing extra problems in my textbook but one of them baffles me...

a hiker shouts toward a vertical cliff 685 m away. the echo is heard 4 s later
what is the speed of sound of the hiker's voice in air?

i know to calculate this you do velocity=distance/time.
and i did velocity=685/4 and got 171.

but in the answers, the book says that you have to do velocity=685/2

i don't know how they got 2 s, when the question clearly states it's 4.
is it just a typo? or do you have to halve the time when it's air?

thanks for anyone who can help me with this conundum :-p
 
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It's an echo!

Any cogs whirring...? Think about where the sound has to travel.

(I remember puzzling over exactly the same question when I was at school!)
 
my cogs are rusty.

uhhhhmmmmmm...no.
i don't think my physics teacher ever mentioned echos.
could you explain this to me?
thanks so much. 'preciate it. alottttt. :approve:
 
if you are 10m from a wall and you throw a ball at it, then catch it, how many meters has the ball travelled?
 
in fear of sounding stupid...

none? because the ball travels 10 m to the wall, but then comes back 10 m. ok...so i think i get of get what brewnog was saying about the echos. thanks :smile:
 
it travels 10m to the wall, and 10m back. therefore 20m travelled.

same thing with the sound. travels 685m there, and 658m back.

685+685=1370m.
1370m/4s = 685m/2s.
get it?
 
Hey Ocean...u got ur ans in ur question.
As u knw v=2d/t
v=2X685/4
Therefore ur text gave tht V=685/2
That is the right ans.
 
AkashBhatt said:
Hey Ocean...u got ur ans in ur question.
As u knw v=2d/t
v=2X685/4
Therefore ur text gave tht V=685/2
That is the right ans.

You seem to have some intermittent keys on your keyboard. Better get it checked out.
 
What does that mean?
Please do reply...
 
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AkashBhatt said:
What does that mean?
Please do reply...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intermittent"

I think he's refferring to the lacking letters of your answer... we always prefer to guess the best, so we think you pressed the keys and they didn't respond rather than that you didn't touch them at all.

Refer to the posting guidelines for more info, you seem to have overlooked one point I think is mentioned there: Don't use uneccessary abbreviations...
 
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Oh...I am really sorry for that i will take care next time...
thank you!
 

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