What Is the Standard Unit for Measuring Momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the standard unit for measuring momentum, exploring various suggestions for naming this unit. Participants engage in a mix of theoretical reasoning, playful suggestions, and references to historical figures in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the awkwardness of the term "kilogram-metres-per-second" and seeks a more intuitive name for the unit of momentum.
  • Another participant proposes an atomic unit of momentum derived from dimensional analysis, suggesting it could be called "broglie" in honor of Louis De Broglie.
  • Some participants express a desire for a snappier name, with suggestions like "Bentley" and "snappy" being put forward.
  • There is a suggestion to use "Newton seconds" as a tribute to Isaac Newton, although some participants question the appeal of this name.
  • One participant proposes the term "motions" to describe momentum, illustrating the playful nature of the discussion.
  • Another participant humorously critiques the term "kilomotions" in a light-hearted manner.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a standard name for the unit of momentum, with multiple competing suggestions and playful disagreements present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a blend of serious and humorous contributions, with no clear resolution or agreement on the naming of the unit.

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I was just trying to get my head around a point that was a little obscure, when I realized that part of the problem was that in thinking of momentum I hadn't got a name to hang on the unit.

Unlike energy, where you just think so-many-Joules or Force (ditto-Newtons), you get stuck with this clumsy kilogram-metres-per-second.

So c'mon guys, how about a name for the little lady?
 
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the atomic unit of momentum would be found by dimensional analysis from [itex]m_{e}[/itex]. [itex]\hbar[/itex] and [itex]k_{0} \, e^{2}[/itex]. The dimensions of these fundamental quantities are:

[tex] [ m_{e} ] = \mathrm{M}[/tex]

[tex] [ \hbar ] = \mathrm{M} \, \mathrm{L}^{2} \, \mathrm{T}^{-1}[/tex]

[tex] [ k_{0} \, e^{2} ] = \mathrm{M} \, \mathrm{L}^{3} \, \mathrm{T}^{-2}[/tex]

The dimension of momentum is:

[tex] [p] = \mathrm{M} \, \mathrm{L} \, \mathrm{T}^{-1}[/tex]

Assuming a general combination:

[tex] p = m_{e}^{x} \, \hbar^{y} \, (k_{0} e^{2})^{z}[/tex]

we get the following conditions:

[tex] \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> x + y + z = 1 \\<br /> <br /> 2 y + 3 z = 1 \\<br /> <br /> -y - 2 z = -1<br /> \end{array}\right. \Rightarrow \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> x = 1 \\<br /> <br /> y = - 1 \\<br /> <br /> z = 1<br /> \end{array}\right.[/tex]

Therefore, the atomic unit of momentum is:

[tex] p_{0} = \frac{m_{e} \, k_{0} \, e^{2}}{\hbar} = \alpha \, m_{e} \, c, \ \alpha \equiv \frac{k_{0} \, e^{2}}{\hbar \, c}[/tex]

It's value in SI units is:

[tex] p_{0} = 1.99 \times 10^{-24} \, \frac{\mathrm{kg} \, \mathrm{m}}{\mathrm{s}}[/tex]

Since Louis De Broglie found the relation between the wavelength and momentum, I propose the above unit be called broglie.
 
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I'd prefer something a little, well, 'snappier'...
 
AJ Bentley said:
I'd prefer something a little, well, 'snappier'...

I suggest the Bentley. One kilogram meter per second is a Bentley. o:)
 
Phrak said:
I suggest the Bentley.

Suck-up! :smile:
 
AJ Bentley said:
Suck-up! :smile:

My original thought was the 'snappy', but with the tendency to name units after their discoverers...you did discover momentum didn't you?
 
I suppose Newton discovered the important features of momentum so let's stick with him and express momentum in Newton seconds(which is the same as kgm/s)
 
Dadface said:
I suppose Newton discovered the important features of momentum so let's stick with him and express momentum in Newton seconds(which is the same as kgm/s)

That's an awfully nice tribute to Newton, but Newton-seconds doesn't have the ring to it one should expect from a basic quantity. Did Newton have a nephew, cousin, or anyone having a name with less than three syllables? You see, it’s never proper to use more than three syllables. All the best units are one, two, and never more than three syllables, I’d considered a Galileo, but poor Galileo has a name much too busy.
 
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Since momentum is a quantity of motion, I suggest "motions".

"The automobile has about 60 kilomotions of momentum."
 
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Char. Limit said:
kilomotions

I can think of some other physical quantity you could name that way, that's much more appropriate!

'David Cameron today made a speech that registered at 15 kilomotions on the Bovine scale.'
 
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