What is the Thickness of the Upper Layer?

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The discussion revolves around determining the thickness of an upper layer in a two-layer seismic model, where the upper layer has a specified P-wave velocity and the lower layer has a different velocity. Participants explore various equations and concepts related to seismic refraction, critical distance, and critical time, seeking to clarify the relationships between these parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using specific equations to calculate the thickness of the upper layer based on given velocities and critical distance.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the critical distance in the proposed equations.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding an equation that incorporates critical distance.
  • One participant suggests that critical time may not be necessary for the calculation.
  • Another participant attempts to calculate the thickness using trigonometric functions but is challenged on the correctness of their approach.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of critical distance and its relationship to the thickness of the layers.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to calculate the thickness of the upper layer, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the use of critical distance and time.

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Participants express limitations in their understanding of the equations involved and the role of critical parameters, indicating that further clarification is needed regarding the relationships among the variables.

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My task is

Let's consider a model made up of two horizontal layers: the upper layer has a velocity
Vp1=3.0 km/s and the lower layer (or half space) has a velocity Vp2= 5.0 km/s. Aseismic experiment is conducted at the surface and showsthat the P wave refracted in the lower layer has a critical distance of 7.5 km and a critical time of 4.17 s. Based on this information, what is the thickness of the upper layer?

1. can i solve this by useing ti= (2z(v2^2 -v1^2)^1/2) / (v1*v2) and then
z= (ti*v1*v2) / 2(v2^2-v1^2)^1/2?
2. Is critical distance the thickness of layer 2?

greatful for any help
 
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1. can i solve this by useing ti= (2z(v2^2 -v1^2)^1/2) / (v1*v2) and then
z= (ti*v1*v2) / 2(v2^2-v1^2)^1/2?
Check where the formula comes from, that should answer the question.
Where did the critical distance go there?

2. Is critical distance the thickness of layer 2?
No.
 
It only say ''two-layer case with horizontal interface'' and the intercept time is given by ... and solving for refractor depth. And i can't find any equation with xcrit in it. tryed to google it but did not find any equation with Xcrit in it.
 
Searching for "critical distance seismics" gives the Wikipedia article about seismic refraction as one of the first hits, and this article has a formula. I think it is hard to miss that.
 
I only find seismic refraction when i google that.
I still don't get it. i would still miss the T0 if i use that equation. And the critical distance and critical time info would not have been used
 
I think you don't need the critical time here.
 
can i do this
ic= sin^-1 3/5 = 36,8
tan 36,8 = (7,5/2)/b = 0,75*3,75 = 2,8
And say upper layer is 2,8meters?
 
Meters? Certainly not.

I don't understand what you calculated there (please add a sketch), in particular I don't see how this is supposed to include the path of the waves at the critical distance.
 
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This is not the critical distance.
 
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confused, taskes says ''Based on this information, what is the thickness of the upper layer?''
 

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