What is the total moment of inertia using the negative area method?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total moment of inertia using the negative area method, specifically in the context of a composite shape involving multiple rectangles. Participants are exploring the implications of assumptions made regarding dimensions that are not explicitly provided in the problem statement.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the negative area method and the calculation of moments of inertia for different sections. There are questions about the assumed dimensions, particularly the width of the web and its implications on the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying assumptions about dimensions and their impact on the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correctness of certain assumptions, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem's requirements.

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There is a noted lack of clarity in the problem due to missing dimensions in the drawing, which is affecting the ability to solve the problem confidently. Participants are questioning the adequacy of the provided information.

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Homework Statement
What is the area moment of inertia for this problem?
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##I_{2} = I_{3} = \large\frac{1}{12}\normalsize bh^{3} = \large \frac{1}{12}\normalsize *35*(180 mm)^{4} = 1.701*10^{7} mm^{4}##
##I_{total} = (I_{1} + A_{1}d_{1}^{2} ) + (I_{2} + A_{2}d_{2}^{2}) + (I_{3} + A_{3}d_{3}^{2})##(d is the distance between centroid of the individual box and centroid of whole shape.)
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By negative area method by joining the gaps in I section.

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##I_{total} = (I_{1} + A_{1}d_{1}^{2} ) - (I_{2} + A_{2}d_{2}^{2}) -(I_{3} + A_{3}d_{3}^{2})##

Centroid of two new sections matches with centroid of final shape. So ##d_{1}##, ##d_{2}## and ##d_{3}## are zero.

##I_{total} = (I_{1} - I_{2} - I_{3})##

Moment of Inertia of a Rectangle 1,##I_{1} = \large \frac {1}{12}\normalsize bh^{3} = \large \frac {1}{12}\normalsize 110*260^{3}

= 1.611 * 10^{8}mm^{4}##

Moment of Inertia of a Rectangle 2 and 3 are equal because they have similar dimensions ##I_{2} = I_{3} = \large\frac{1}{12}\normalsize bh^{3} = \large \frac{1}{12}\normalsize *35*(180 mm)^{4} = 1.701*10^{7} mm^{4}##

Area moment of Interia, ##I_{total} = I_{1} - 2I_{2} = 1.272*10^{8} mm^{4}##
 
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Problem assumes I guess that the web width is 40 mm (same as flange width) but the dimension should have been shown on the drawing.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Problem assumes I guess that the web width is 40 mm (same as flange width) but the dimension should have been shown on the drawing.
Are you saying that taking 35 as base is wrong?
 
No, I am saying it is correct if the width of the middle vertical rectangle is assumed to be 40mm. The drawing does not show that width, which it should have, because the problem otherwise could not be solved with incomplete information given.
 

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