What is the Trace of a Fourth Rank Tensor in Index Notation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the trace of a fourth rank tensor in index notation. Participants explore the definitions, expressions, and implications of the trace, particularly in relation to specific tensors like the Riemann tensor. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant asks for the general expression for the trace of a fourth rank tensor and provides an example using the Riemann tensor, suggesting that independent contractions are involved due to symmetry properties.
  • Another participant questions whether the trace is even defined for tensors of rank higher than 2.
  • A participant reiterates the inquiry about the general expression for the trace and emphasizes that the trace can be defined in various contexts beyond just a formula, mentioning its invariant nature.
  • Some participants express a desire for an explanation using tensor index notation rather than tensor product notation, indicating a focus on tensor decompositions of fourth rank tensors.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and applicability of the trace for higher rank tensors. There is no consensus on a singular definition or approach to the trace of a fourth rank tensor.

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Limitations in the discussion include a lack of clarity on the assumptions regarding tensor rank and the definitions of trace in various contexts. The discussion also reflects varying familiarity with tensor product notation and index notation.

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What is the general expression for the trace of a fourth rank tensor? Do you sum over possibilities of contractions with some factor?

So, for instance, for the Riemann tensor, it is given by:

$\eta_{ab}\eta_{cd}R^{acbd}$

due to these being independent contractions due to the symmetry properties the Riemann tensor obeys.

But what would it be for a general fourth rank tensor?

Thanks
 
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Is it even defined for tensors of rank higher than 2?
 
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binbagsss said:
What is the general expression for the trace of a fourth rank tensor? Do you sum over possibilities of contractions with some factor?

So, for instance, for the Riemann tensor, it is given by:

$\eta_{ab}\eta_{cd}R^{acbd}$

due to these being independent contractions due to the symmetry properties the Riemann tensor obeys.

But what would it be for a general fourth rank tensor?

Thanks
Why do you want to know this? Or better: what is the trace to you?

The trace is not only a formula. We can define it for matrices by the characteristic polynomial, for field extensions, or what we get if we differentiate the determinant at ##1##. It is an invariant quantity (versus change of basis).

You can artificially define a trace. $$V\otimes V\otimes V\otimes V \cong \underbrace{(V\otimes V)}_{=:W}\otimes \underbrace{(V\otimes V)^*}_{=:W^*}
$$
is a matrix, i.e. an endomorphism of ##W.## As such, it has a trace.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_contraction for the "official" generalization. You will find a better explanation on the German version https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensorverjüngung of it. If you use Chrome, then right-click on the page for a translation. It will give you at least the important sentence:
Applications can be found e.g. B. in the theory of relativity[3] (see also length contraction), mechanics[4] etc.[5]
with corresponding links that is not part of the English version (or not in that wording).
 
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I am not too familiar with tensor product notation etc, is is possible to answer using tensor index notation?

why? looking at tensor decompositions of fourth rank tensors.
 
binbagsss said:
I am not too familiar with tensor product notation etc, is is possible to answer using tensor index notation?

why? looking at tensor decompositions of fourth rank tensors.
See the two Wikipedia pages for index notation and the links I quoted.
 

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