What is the true definition of the covariant gamma matrix ##\gamma_{5}##?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of the covariant gamma matrix ##\gamma_{5}## in the context of quantum field theory. Participants explore the relationship between the covariant and contravariant forms of the gamma matrices, particularly focusing on the chirality matrix and its notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the covariant gamma matrices and proposes a specific form for ##\gamma_{5}## using the contravariant gamma matrices.
  • Another participant argues that the definition of the chirality matrix typically uses the index "downstairs" and suggests that the proposed form should omit certain minus signs.
  • A later reply references Peskin and Schroeder, indicating that the chirality matrix is defined without the downstairs index.
  • Another participant recalls that only one matrix is generally used in literature, either with an upstairs or downstairs index, with a preference for the lower index.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether ##\gamma_{5}## and ##\gamma^{5}## are equivalent, suggesting they should be defined consistently.
  • Another participant cites Srednicki's work, noting that it presents a specific form for ##\gamma_{5}## and discusses the ambiguity in signs due to the metric used.
  • One participant emphasizes that the designation of "5" is arbitrary and suggests that it may be misleading to use it as an index.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate definition and notation for ##\gamma_{5}##, with no consensus reached on whether the covariant and contravariant forms should be treated as equivalent or how the signs should be handled.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of the gamma matrices, particularly in relation to the metric signature and the use of indices. There are unresolved questions about the consistency of definitions across different texts.

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Covariant gamma matrices are defined by

$$\gamma_{\mu}=\eta_{\mu\nu}\gamma^{\nu}=\{\gamma^{0},-\gamma^{1},-\gamma^{2},-\gamma^{3}\}.$$

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The gamma matrix ##\gamma^{5}## is defined by

$$\gamma^{5}\equiv i\gamma^{0}\gamma^{1}\gamma^{2}\gamma^{3}.$$

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Is the covariant matrix ##\gamma_{5}## then defined by

$$\gamma_{5} = i\gamma_{0}(-\gamma_{1})(-\gamma_{2})(-\gamma_{3})?$$
 
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No, typically the chirality matrix has the index "downstairs" and is defined in terms of the "downstair" gammas. So the three minuses in your last equality should be omitted.k
 
dextercioby said:
No, typically the chirality matrix has the index "downstairs" and is defined in terms of the "downstair" gammas. So the three minuses in your last equality should be omitted.k

But, in Peskin and Schroeder, page 50, ##\gamma^{5}## is defined as

$$\gamma^{5}\equiv i\gamma^{0}\gamma^{1}\gamma^{2}\gamma^{3}$$

and the downstairs index is not used on the chirality matrix.
 
Iirc, there's only one matrix being used (either with the index "down" or "up"), not both in a book. I don't have a statistics in my head, but the lower 5 is prevalent.
 
So, you mean

$$\gamma_{5} \equiv \gamma^{5} \equiv i\gamma^{0}\gamma^{1}\gamma^{2}\gamma^{3}?$$
 
No, to have a consistent definition, you have gamma_5 = i gamma_0 * gamma_1 *...
And separately gamma^5 = i gamma^0 * gamma^1 *...
Because of the sign ambiguity (the metric has either 1 or 3 minuses), books will choose to use only one type of 5.
 
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But equation (36.46) in Srenicki has

$$\gamma_{5} = i\gamma^{0}\gamma^{1}\gamma^{2}\gamma^{3}$$
 
failexam said:
But equation (36.46) in Srenicki has$$\gamma_{5} = i\gamma^{0}\gamma^{1}\gamma^{2}\gamma^{3}$$
That's because the '5' is just a dummy name, not a legitimate index. The 2nd part of Srednicki's (36.46) is actually $$\gamma_5 ~=~ -\,\frac{i}{24}\, \epsilon_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} \gamma^\mu \gamma^\nu \gamma^\rho \gamma^\sigma ~.$$Peskin & Schroeder do something similar on p49 where they write $$\gamma^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma} ~=~ \gamma^{[\mu} \gamma^\nu \gamma^\rho \gamma^{\sigma]} ~,$$but then introduce a ##\gamma^5## in eq(3.68). Whichever place you put the "5" index, the 5th gamma is a pseudo-scalar. It should probably be called something else not involving the index "5".
 

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