What is the ultimate fate of the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the ultimate fate of the Universe, exploring concepts such as the potential for a new Big Bang and the implications of Dark Energy. Participants engage with questions about the nature of time and existence prior to the Big Bang, examining both theoretical and conceptual aspects of cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether physicists and cosmologists truly understand how the universe will ultimately die, suggesting the possibility of a new Big Bang.
  • There is a discussion about the role of Dark Energy in the expansion of the universe and its implications for future models.
  • Participants express uncertainty about what existed before the Big Bang, with some asserting that nobody knows the answer.
  • One participant emphasizes the philosophical implications of asking what existed before the Big Bang, arguing that the concept of "before" is meaningless as time itself is defined only for ##T>0##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the question of what existed before the Big Bang remains unresolved, with multiple views on the implications of this uncertainty. However, there is contention regarding the acceptance of this uncertainty, particularly from one participant who expresses frustration over repeated inquiries into the same topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding cosmological concepts, particularly regarding the definitions of time and the nature of existence prior to the Big Bang. There are unresolved questions about the implications of Dark Energy and the future of the universe.

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do physicists and cosmologists really know how the universe will die?could there be a new Big Bang?
do physicists and cosmologists really know how the universe will die?could there be a new Big Bang?
 
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Define ”really know”.
 
Thread prefix changed from "A" = Advanced graduate school level to "I" = Intermediate undergraduate level.

@curious222 -- Have you done any reading about Dark Energy and the measurements behind that advancement in our models of the Universe?
 
berkeman said:
Thread prefix changed from "A" = Advanced graduate school level to "I" = Intermediate undergraduate level.

@curious222 -- Have you done any reading about Dark Energy and the measurements behind that advancement in our models of the Universe?
Yes universe is expanding.new big bang after heat death?
 
curious222 said:
Yes universe is expanding.new big bang after heat death?
Why? How?
 
phinds said:
Why? How?
What existed before the big bang?
 
curious222 said:
What existed before the big bang?
Nobody knows, as we've said to you before.
 
curious222 said:
What existed before the big bang?
I see that you keep getting threads closed because you REFUSE to accept the answer you've been told several times. WE DON'T KNOW.
 
phinds said:
I see that you keep getting threads closed because you REFUSE to accept the answer you've been told several times. WE DON'T KNOW.
It's even worse. We cannot know. We cannot even pose the question! @curious222's "before" means ##T<0##, but ##T## is only defined in the range ##T>0##. There was no time prior to time!
Ibix said:
Nobody knows, as we've said to you before.
Question is answered and this thread is closed.
 
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