What is the volume of the system when inserting the 4-velocity of the observer?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the volume of a system in the context of inserting the 4-velocity of an observer into a tensor, specifically relating to concepts in relativistic physics and tensor calculus.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between tensors and matrices, questioning how a rank 2 tensor can be represented and how the 4-velocity fits into this framework. There are inquiries about the meanings of variables such as p and V, with some suggesting that p represents momentum and V represents volume. The concept of tensor contraction is also discussed, with participants seeking clarity on the implications of inserting a vector into a tensor's slot.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and clarifications about the equations referenced from Goldstein's text. There is acknowledgment of a potential typo in the equations, and some participants express a need for further understanding of the contraction process. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify definitions and relationships without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Some participants note that the physical dimensions of the variables involved, particularly V, are under consideration, and there is mention of the context of integrals over volume in relation to conservation laws in relativistic physics.

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I do not understand the mathematical formula under item 1. at all (and not the other items either).
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The text says: "1. If we insert the 4-velocity u of the observer into one of the slots...". I do not understand at all. What does it mean that a tensor has "vector slots"? What does "dp/dV" mean? I would like to see the operation step by step.
I have attempted but with no result.
 
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I do not have read the book but as for vector slots I assume that a rank 2 tensor can be regarded as a 4X4 matrix and one of 4 columns or 4 rows is 4-velocity inserted.
As for dp/dV, what are p and V ? Is p momentum? Is V volume of something ?
 
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After Goldsteins eq(13.72) he immediately gives (13.73) as the explicit-component version of the same equation. "Inserting" a vector into a tensor's "slot" means contracting the tensor with the vector. In (13.73), the "contraction" is the implicit summation over the index ##\beta##.

But note that there's a typo in (13.73), at least in my copy of the book. He writes $$T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\alpha ~=~ T_\beta^{~\alpha} u^\beta ~=~ -\left( \frac{dp^\alpha}{dV} \right) ~.$$ The 1st term should have ##u^\beta##, not ##u^\alpha##.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
I do not have read the book but as for vector slots I assume that a rank 2 tensor can be regarded as a 4X4 matrix and one of 4 columns or 4 rows is 4-velocity inserted.
As for dp/dV, what are p and V ? Is p momentum? Is V volume of something ?
Thank you!
 
strangerep said:
After Goldsteins eq(13.72) he immediately gives (13.73) as the explicit-component version of the same equation. "Inserting" a vector into a tensor's "slot" means contracting the tensor with the vector. In (13.73), the "contraction" is the implicit summation over the index ##\beta##.

But note that there's a typo in (13.73), at least in my copy of the book. He writes $$T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\alpha ~=~ T_\beta^{~\alpha} u^\beta ~=~ -\left( \frac{dp^\alpha}{dV} \right) ~.$$ The 1st term should have ##u^\beta##, not ##u^\alpha##.
Thank you! I thought so too, though I was a little bewildered by the typo. I will need to do the contraction to see the result. I have tried to do so in my head but not succeeded, probably because I was not sure what "inserting a vector into the slot of a tensor" really meant. Now I can proceed with a little more confidence, using paper and pen when doing the tensor contraction. I do private studies on my own, and sometimes I get stuck, at times for no good reason. Then Physics Forums is my last resort and very valuable to me. Thanks again!
 
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strangerep said:
He writes T βαuα = Tβ αuβ = −(dpαdV) . The 1st term should have uβ, not uα.
Thanks to your quotes. So V has physical dimension of p/Tu, volume if c=1. What volume is it ?
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Thanks to your quotes. So V has physical dimension of p/Tu, volume if c=1. What volume is it ?
IIUC, ##V## by itself means the volume of the system, and ##dV## is an infinitesimal volume element, as one would find in an integral over some total volume. E.g., in eq(13.34) on p568, in a section about the energy-stress-momentum tensor and conservation laws, he illustrates with: $$R_\mu ~=~ \int T_\mu^{~0} dV$$as an example of an integral quantity which is conserved by virtue of a continuity equation.

In the exercise mentioned in the OP, we've switched to the relativistic case, so ##T_\mu^{~0}## is generalized to ##T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\beta##. The idea is that an integral over the volume of the system gives the total energy-momentum (IIUC).
 
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