What Is the Water Solubility of Benzoic Acid at 25°C?

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The discussion revolves around the water solubility of benzoic acid at 25°C, specifically focusing on calculating its solubility based on given pH and dissociation constant (Ka) values. Participants explore the relationship between pH, concentration of hydrogen ions, and the equilibrium concentration of benzoic acid in solution.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a saturated solution of benzoic acid with a known pH and Ka value, seeking to calculate its solubility in moles per liter.
  • Another participant suggests writing the expression for Ka and substituting known values to find equilibrium concentrations.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how calculating equilibrium concentrations relates to determining the maximum solubility of benzoic acid, questioning the initial concentration versus the concentration at equilibrium.
  • Further clarification is sought on whether the concentration of benzoic acid at equilibrium can be directly used to determine solubility, with emphasis on understanding the chemistry involved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating water solubility, with some expressing uncertainty about the relationship between equilibrium concentrations and solubility definitions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the initial concentration of benzoic acid and how it affects the calculation of solubility. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings of the terms used in the context of solubility and equilibrium.

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[SOLVED] Water solubility of benzoic acid

Homework Statement


At 25^{0}C a saturated solution of benzoic acid with K_{a}=6.4 x 10^{-5} (can't get this thing to display a simple multiplication sign in the equation) has a pH = 2.80. Calculate the water solubility of benzoic acid in moles per litre.

Homework Equations


We know pH = -log[H^{+}]

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't find examples of similar problems in any of my textbooks, but was thinking for the balanced reaction of benzoic acid, we have

C_{6}H_{5}OOH \rightarrow C_{6}H_{5}OO^{-} + H^{+}

and calculating [H^{+}] from the above equation gives 1.584 x 10^{-3}mol/L

Does this mean that (from the balanced equation) the water solubility is equal to this value? Or is there some intermediate steps I was supposed to follow?

Thanks peeps.
 
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Write the expression for Ka and plug in what you know.
 
Hi chemisttree!

I thought of that, but don't understand how that will help (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like an explanation)...I thought that, if I substitute the values into the expression for Ka, I can calculate the concentration of C_{6}H_{5}OOH at equilibrium, but that doesn't tell me how much of it was dissolved in the water. My understanding of the terminology is that the water solubility is the maximum amount of the substance that can be dissolved in water. Is that right? Which basically means that it's the difference between the initial concentration (whatever that is) minus what's left over at equilibrium, i.e. the change in concentration which is 1.585x10^{-3} (assuming that the initial concentration of H^{+} is 0.

I hope you don't mind my asking, but please explain.
 
phyzmatix said:
Hi chemisttree!

I thought of that, but don't understand how that will help (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like an explanation)...I thought that, if I substitute the values into the expression for Ka, I can calculate the concentration of C_{6}H_{5}OOH at equilibrium, but that doesn't tell me how much of it was dissolved in the water.
Assume that [CH3COOH] in the Ka expression is that amount which is dissolved... ignore the solid stuff. You know [H+] and you therefore know [CH3COO-].
 
chemisttree said:
Assume that [CH3COOH] in the Ka expression is that amount which is dissolved... ignore the solid stuff. You know [H+] and you therefore know [CH3COO-].

*PING!*

:smile:

Thank you very much for your time! Obviously my understanding of the chemistry underlying this problem was the limiting reagent here :biggrin:
 

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