What is their common angular velocity?

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The discussion revolves around a double star system where two stars of different masses rotate about their common center of mass. The original poster seeks to determine their common angular velocity, referencing a discrepancy between their calculated result and a textbook answer.

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  • Participants explore the gravitational force between the stars and its relationship to the centrifugal force, questioning the validity of the centrifugal force concept in this context. There are attempts to derive the angular velocity using gravitational and centrifugal force equations, alongside discussions about the center of circular paths.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and questioned the assumptions made regarding forces in circular motion. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the forces involved, and some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of centrifugal force.

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There is mention of a textbook answer that appears to be dimensionally incorrect, which raises questions about the validity of the provided solution. Additionally, the discussion touches on the need for clarity regarding the forces acting in a rotating system.

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Sir,
In a double star system, 2 stars of masses m and M separated by a distance d rotate about their common centre of mass. What is their common angular velocity?
 
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Amith, you've been here long enough to know that you need to show your work before you get some help. What are your thoughts on this problem? Any ideas on how to solve it?
 
Amith2006 said:
Sir,
In a double star system, 2 stars of masses m and M separated by a distance d rotate about their common centre of mass. What is their common angular velocity?

I solved it in the following way:
The gravitational force of attraction between the masses = (GMm)/d^2
This force is balanced by the centrifugal force of (M + m)dw^2 acting on the combined system.
i.e. GMm/d^2 = (M + m)dw^2 [ here w is the angular velocity of the system]
By solving we get,
w = {(GMm)/((M + m)d^3)}^(1/2)
But the answer given in my book is {(GMm)/d^3}^(1/2).
Here the symbol ^ represents power.
 
Amith2006 said:
I solved it in the following way:
The gravitational force of attraction between the masses = (GMm)/d^2
This force is balanced by the centrifugal force of (M + m)dw^2 acting on the combined system.
i.e. GMm/d^2 = (M + m)dw^2 [ here w is the angular velocity of the system]
By solving we get,
w = {(GMm)/((M + m)d^3)}^(1/2)
But the answer given in my book is {(GMm)/d^3}^(1/2).
Here the symbol ^ represents power.

Centrifugal force! :mad: Sorry that's my pet hate. There is no such force as the centrifugal force. If the forces are balanced, why would the system be undergoing circular motion?

You were correct in stating that the force between them is;

[tex]F = \frac{GMm}{d^2}[/tex]

Now what is the equation for the centripetal acceleration?

~H
 
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Hootenanny said:
Centrifugal force! :mad: Sorry that's my pet hate. There is no such force as the centrifugal force.

I myself sometimes invoke the centrifugal force in explanations.:blushing: but I am always careful to clarify that these are non-Newtonian inertial "forces" which would vanish if the problem is considered from a proper inertial perspective. In any case, I understand what I'm doing - I appreciate the D'Alembert formulation connecting the inertial/non-inertial perspectives.

Hootenanny is absolutely right, at a student level, there is no place for centrifugal force or other fictitious forces in answers to exam questions.:approve:
 
The answer in your textbook is definitely incorrect as the dimensions do not match.
 
First of all tell me about the center of the circular path(s).
 

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