What is This Unearthly Creature? Is it a Starfish?

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The discussion revolves around the identification of an unusual marine creature, with participants speculating whether it is a starfish or a related organism. The conversation includes references to various marine life forms and historical interpretations of fossilized creatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the creature might be a starfish, while others propose it could be a basket star, noting its filter-feeding behavior.
  • One participant mentions the size of the creature as surprising and shares information about its feeding mechanism.
  • References are made to other unusual marine organisms, such as Opabinia, Hallucigenia, and amphipods, indicating a broader interest in bizarre marine life.
  • A participant discusses the historical misinterpretation of Hallucigenia, noting that original illustrations were incorrect and attributing this to scientific error rather than the illustrator's work.
  • Another participant recalls discussions about the anatomical features of Hallucigenia, highlighting the uncertainty in scientific interpretations regarding its morphology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the identification of the creature, with no consensus reached on whether it is a starfish or a basket star. The discussion includes both agreement on the fascinating nature of marine life and disagreement on specific classifications.

Contextual Notes

There are references to historical scientific interpretations that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the anatomy and classification of Hallucigenia and related organisms.

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Seems to be a basket star (not a basketball star!).
DaveC426913 said:
But I think it's actually a starfish.
Yes, relative of starfish.
I was surprised at how big it is.
It seems to be a filter feeder, using its basket-like arms to catch little things out of currents.

There are lots of weird and fun critters.
Opabinia (an early fossil arthropod):
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Hallucagenia (an early fossil velvet worm):
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Amphipod (related to pillbugs) parasite that eats a fish's tongue and replaces it. It then eats some of the food the fish eats:
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: | My sister M Collins did the original 3D interpretational drawings from scientists' descriptions, from which most other diagrams on the internet were shamelessly copied.

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Very cool @DaveC426913 !
Its interesting that they had the original versions of Hallucagenia upside down (walking on what are now considered defensive spines).
I'm sure it was the scientist's fault and not your sister's.
Gould's book (Wonderful Life) was written before this was figured out, so he probably discusses it in a lot of detail.
 
BillTre said:
Very cool @DaveC426913 !
Its interesting that they had the original versions of Hallucagenia upside down (walking on what are now considered defensive spines).
I'm sure it was the scientist's fault and not your sister's.
I remember discussing that very thing over the dinner table. The scientists couldn't make up their minds. They wondered if maybe the wavey bits were eating/breathing tubules, but that would necessitate walking on the spikey bits, like an urchin.
Good times, good times.

BillTre said:
Gould's book (Wonderful Life) was written before this was figured out, so he probably discusses it in a lot of detail.
She illustrated that too. :biggrin:
 
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