What is vector-like matter?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "vector-like matter" within the context of theoretical physics, particularly in relation to gauge theories and supersymmetry. Participants explore the definition, implications, and distinctions between vector-like and chiral matter, referencing various theoretical frameworks and papers.

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  • Some participants inquire about the definition of "vector-like matter" and its origins, with references to specific academic papers.
  • One participant suggests that vector-like matter refers to fermionic matter with vector-like couplings to standard model gauge fields, contrasting it with chiral couplings of ordinary fermions.
  • Another participant raises a question about the implications of vector-like matter in the absence of SU(2) x U(1) groups, seeking clarification on the distinction between chiral and non-chiral matter in larger gauge groups like SU(5) or SO(10).
  • A participant discusses the relationship between chiral superfields and vector superfields in supersymmetry, questioning whether different concepts are being conflated.
  • One participant argues that the term "vector-like matter" is misleading, emphasizing that it pertains to interactions rather than the matter itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that vector-like matter can arise from spinors constructing bilinear vectors or axial vectors, and that the terminology can be confusing.
  • There is a correction regarding the nature of the neutrino current, with distinctions made between left chiral and axial currents.

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Participants express differing views on the terminology and implications of vector-like matter, with no consensus reached on its definition or the clarity of the concepts involved.

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The discussion reveals limitations in understanding due to the complexity of the concepts and the potential for conflating different theoretical frameworks. Specific assumptions about gauge groups and interactions remain unresolved.

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What is "vector-like" matter?

Hi,
can someone please tell me what vector-like matter is?

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can you tell us where you found the term "vector-like matter"?
 


Unfortunately they do not write down the kinetic part of the Lagrangian.

I suspected that it has something to do with spin, but w/o the Lagrangian it's hard to tell. In addition they talk about a scalar superpartner, but the superpartner to a spin-1object is not spin-0.
 


It looks like they're using the term to imply that the new (fermionic) matter has vector-like couplings to all standard model gauge fields. This is to be contrasted with ordinary standard model fermions, which have chiral SU(2)xU(1) couplings.
 


Thanks. According to the reference hep-th/9903387 vector-like is used synonymously with non-chiral. Which means that left and right components transform differently under SU(2) x U(1). But what if these groups are not present? What would be the distinction between chiral and non-chiral matter for SU(5) or SO(10)?
 


Just to make sure: "chiral" means that there is a gamma matrix projector in the Dirac kinetic term, whereas "vector" means it looks like in QED w/o such a projector?
 


Thanks for all your thoughts.
 


Probabli the best translation is tom's "like in QED".

Historically, the problem of GUT models has been to avoid vector-like interactions. Actually, vector-like *matter* is a misnomer; it refers to *interactions*
 
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Now I am confused. In susy theories there are chiral superfields as well as vector superfields, completely independent of interactions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersymmetric_gauge_theory). Chiral fields are defined by [tex]\bar{D} \Phi=0[/tex]. Vector fields one the other hand are identical to their hermitian adjoints [tex]V = V^{\dagger}[/tex]. Am I intermingling different concepts here?
 
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Yes, the concepts are different and the name vector-like matter is misleading.

As far as we understand the paper the situation is as follows: one uses spinors (!) to construct either bilinear vectors (like the el.-mag. current from the fermion field) or bilinear axial vector (like the left-handed neutrino current in el.-weak theory). The currents are coupled to other fields, in these examples the photon field or the Z- and W-field.

If the current is a vector, the matter is called vector-like even if the matter field itself is a spinor. (this is my interpretation of the discussion)
 
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tom.stoer said:
Yes, the concepts are different and the name vector-like matter is misleading.

As far as we understand the paper the situation is as follows: one uses spinors (!) to construct either bilinear vectors (like the el.-mag. current from the fermion field) or bilinear axial vector (like the left-handed neutrino current in el.-weak theory). The currents are coupled to other fields, in these examples the photon field or the Z- and W-field.

If the current is a vector, the matter is called vector-like even if the matter field itself is a spinor. (this is my interpretation of the discussion)

Strictly, the neutrino current is left chiral, not axial. A left chiral current is vector minus axial vector (or V-A); and a right chiral current is V+A.
 
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Parlyne said:
Strictly, the neutrino current is left chiral, not axial. A left chiral current is vector minus axial vector (or V-A); and a right chiral current is V+A.
You are right.
 

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