What is your opinion on John C. Mather

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The discussion centers on opinions regarding John C. Mather, a prominent astrophysicist known for his work on the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) and the James Webb Space Telescope. Participants explore his reputation in the field of astrophysics, comparing him to other figures such as Neil deGrasse Tyson, and consider the nature of leadership and collaboration in scientific research.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Mather is regarded as one of the top astrophysicists globally, questioning the validity of the term "top dog" in the context of scientific collaboration.
  • One participant admires Mather and emphasizes the importance of teamwork in observational cosmology, suggesting that leadership in science is often collegial rather than hierarchical.
  • A participant shares Mather's autobiography, describing him as modest and sociable, with a passion for hands-on science, although they admit to not having direct contact with him.
  • There are mentions of Mather's unorthodox ideas, which some participants argue are characteristic of great thinkers.
  • Some participants compare Mather to Neil deGrasse Tyson, questioning whether Mather's status as a leading astrophysicist rivals Tyson's public persona.
  • One participant argues that Tyson does not engage in significant research in astrophysics, noting his limited publication record and suggesting that his role as a public outreach figure limits his research contributions.
  • Another participant acknowledges Tyson's contributions to science communication, comparing him to historical figures like Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov, while noting that these roles are valuable despite not being traditional research positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on Mather's status in the astrophysics community and the comparison to Tyson. While some admire Mather's contributions and approach, others challenge the framing of his reputation and the implications of comparing him to Tyson. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the hierarchy of influence and recognition in the field.

Contextual Notes

Participants' opinions are influenced by personal perceptions and experiences, with some relying on Mather's biography and others on the public roles of scientists like Tyson. There is no consensus on the definitions of "top astrophysicist" or the criteria for comparison between Mather and Tyson.

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he is suppose to be one of the top astrophysicist in the world..

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was lead researcher on COPE... and is now going to be the lead researcher in the james webb telescope

is he really the top dog... or not
 
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Futuregen600 said:
he is suppose to be one of the top astrophysicist in the world..

John-C-Mather.jpg



was lead researcher on COPE... and is now going to be the lead researcher in the james webb telescope

is he really the top dog... or not

I admire and respect the guy. I don't feel comfortable with your term "top dog".
Science at that level can be collegial.
A successful project may be a team effort of a bunch of creative talented selfmotiveated people. It doesn't have to follow a military model of taking orders from the Great Leader.

Of course people have egos. especially theorists. Some theoretical physicist might be a prima donna. I've heard of that. But this guy is a OBSERVATIONAL cosmologist. I doubt you get very far in that world---where teamwork is so important---without someone leading who knows how to deal with people in a collegial "primus inter pares" (first among equals) way.

I could be wrong, but my hunch is that "top dog" is the wrong term to apply here.
 
Here is his 8 page autobiography he wrote in 2006 around the time of the Nobel.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2006/mather-autobio.html
It's interesting. I think it gives a good sense of what the guy is like. though I've no direct contact with him and am only guessing. Largely rural and small town background. Born 1946.
He describes his childhood, family, school experiences, grad school, career, remembering many friends. Sounds like a modest sociable guy, who gets along well with people, with driving passion for hands-on science and finding out stuff.
 
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He has some unorthodox ideas, but, so do all great thinkers.
 
im often told he is one of the top astrophysicist in the world

but does he rival neil degrese tyson
 
Futuregen600 said:
im often told he is one of the top astrophysicist in the world

but does he rival neil degrese tyson

What is your point in trying to get him labeled in some way?
 
Futuregen600 said:
but does he rival neil degrese tyson

Tyson does not do significant research in astrophysics. To be sure, he has been author on a number of papers:
http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research

But this is nothing near a world class astrophysicist's track record. He has published only three papers in the last fourteen years, and none of his earlier work is too terribly influential.

That's not meant to be a knock against him, just that he is primarily the directory of an astronomy museum and a public outreach figure. The time commitments simply make this incompatible with being a full-time researcher.
 
Tyson has admitted as much in some of his interviews. He misses the research thing, but, the demands on his time as an outreach figure simply rule it out. He is certainly an important ambassador for science in his current capacity and has undoubtably inspired many future astrophysicists. Carl Sagan did much the same with 'Cosmos', as well as Isaac Asimov's popularizations through science fiction novels. Both were fine scientists who found a calling outside academia. I don't think we are any the worse for those contributions.
 

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