What kinds of math do I need to understand the world around me?

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The discussion revolves around the types of mathematics necessary for a better understanding of various scientific concepts. Participants explore the relationship between mathematical skills and comprehension of scientific topics, including physics and biology, and express personal experiences with learning math.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to improve their understanding of science through better math skills and seeks guidance on which types of math to focus on.
  • Another participant suggests a progression of mathematical topics starting from algebra to calculus, differential equations, and beyond.
  • Some participants question the vagueness of the original inquiry, emphasizing that different scientific fields may require different mathematical foundations.
  • Specific mathematical areas mentioned include calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, probability/statistics, and discrete math, with some participants noting their relevance to spectroscopy and optics.
  • A participant reflects on their sporadic learning approach and the challenges of identifying gaps in their math knowledge, suggesting a more disciplined study routine.

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There is no consensus on a single path or set of mathematical topics to focus on, as participants present multiple perspectives and suggestions based on different scientific interests and personal experiences.

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Participants highlight the importance of foundational knowledge in mathematics and the varying requirements based on specific scientific disciplines, indicating that the discussion may involve assumptions about prior knowledge and learning styles.

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Individuals interested in enhancing their understanding of science through mathematics, particularly those who feel their math skills are inadequate for comprehending scientific concepts.

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My understanding of science has always been limited by my lack of adequate math skills. Eventually I reach explanations and studies filled with equations, symbols and variables I don't understand and I find myself at a dead end. I've done pretty well with my limited skills, but I kind of want to understand more. I don't think I'll every understand it all, but I think I can do better then I'm doing now. In order to have a better understanding of science what types of math do I need to focus on learning?
 
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It's not a matter of "focusing" on a specific type of mathematics. It's a matter of each form of mathematics depending on previous kinds of mathematics. If you have not already, start with algebra. Then go to trigonometry and some geometry. By then you will be ready for Calculus. Then differential equations and differential geometry.
 
Evanish said:
My understanding of science has always been limited by my lack of adequate math skills. Eventually I reach explanations and studies filled with equations, symbols and variables I don't understand and I find myself at a dead end. I've done pretty well with my limited skills, but I kind of want to understand more. I don't think I'll every understand it all, but I think I can do better then I'm doing now. In order to have a better understanding of science what types of math do I need to focus on learning?

Your post is pretty vague. What science exactly do you wish to understand? And what do you mean with understanding? For example, a understanding of the mathematical foundations of QM should need a different skillset than understanding evolution in biology.
 
micromass said:
Your post is pretty vague. What science exactly do you wish to understand? And what do you mean with understanding? For example, a understanding of the mathematical foundations of QM should need a different skillset than understanding evolution in biology.
I'm a curious person. I'm interested in a lot of different subjects. If my post seems vague it's because my motivation is somewhat vague as well. Mostly I just want to understand the things I want to understand when I want to understand them. Not a very realistic objective, but still something to strive for. The latest thing I've been struggling with is spectroscopy. I don't really get diffraction grating especially when Rowland Circles are involved.
 
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Calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, prob/stat.
 
Evanish said:
I'm a curious person. I'm interested in a lot of different subjects. If my post seems vague it's because my motivation is somewhat vague as well. Mostly I just want to understand the things I want to understand when I want to understand them. Not a very realistic objective, but still something to strive for. The latest thing I've been struggling with is spectroscopy. I don't really get diffraction grating especially when Rowland Circles are involved.


... as in "optics", then you want Trigonometry, along with what the other has mentioned.


For spectroscopy, discrete math would be helpful more than you would first imagine. If you are just interested in transmittance and absorbance, then intermediate algebra is enough.
 
Evanish said:
My understanding of science has always been limited by my lack of adequate math skills. Eventually I reach explanations and studies filled with equations, symbols and variables I don't understand and I find myself at a dead end. I've done pretty well with my limited skills, but I kind of want to understand more. I don't think I'll every understand it all, but I think I can do better then I'm doing now. In order to have a better understanding of science what types of math do I need to focus on learning?
It depends on how deeply one wishes to understand many phenomena and physical systems.

Basically one needs calculus through partial differential equations, linear analysis, complex analysis, and perhaps vector/tensor calculus, and a few others like HallsofIvy mentioned, and micromass and others will probably mention more. There is also numerical analysis with one does computational physics.
 
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I was using khan academy for a while and I think I was making progress, but then I took a break from it over which I seemed to forgot most of what I learned. The biggest problem I seem to run into with learning math is that I've gone about learning in such a sporadic undisciplined manner that I'm not really sure what I know and what I don't know. My math skills are like a road where parts are newly paved and other parts are giant gaping potholes. Knowing where those holes are so I can fill them in is the difficult part. Maybe I should try to put in a few hours everyday on the subjects suggested here. Eventually I'll manage to fill in the missing pieces even if I have to go over the same stretch of road over and over again.
 

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