What makes an asteroid an asteroid and not a comet

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The discussion revolves around the distinctions between asteroids and comets, exploring their definitions, compositions, and the conditions under which one may transform into the other. Participants examine the implications of orbital characteristics and the presence of volatiles, as well as the arbitrary nature of these classifications.

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  • Some participants propose that the fundamental difference between asteroids and comets lies in their orbits and compositions, with comets typically having more volatiles like ice, while asteroids are more rocky or metallic.
  • One participant suggests that gravitational perturbations can cause an asteroid to gain velocity, potentially transforming it into a comet, indicating a chance-based flip-flop between the two classifications.
  • Another participant notes that the distinction is arbitrary, similar to the differentiation between planets and asteroids, suggesting that any rock could become either depending on its interactions.
  • Concerns are raised about what happens to a comet when it loses all its ice, with some arguing it would no longer be classified as a comet but rather as an asteroid with an unusual orbit.
  • There is a mention that asteroids typically have orbits within the confines of Jupiter's orbit, while comets are often found in highly elliptical orbits originating from the Oort Cloud or Kuiper Belt.
  • One participant questions whether a rock or metal comet without ice has ever existed, highlighting the role of volatiles in defining comets.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definitions and characteristics of asteroids and comets. There is no consensus on whether the transformation between the two is purely chance-based or if it is influenced by specific conditions.

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The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding the definitions of asteroids and comets, particularly concerning their compositions and the conditions that lead to their classification. The implications of orbital dynamics and the role of volatiles remain unresolved.

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Hi all


Have been thinking about this for sometime, what is the fundamental difference that makes an asteroid an object orbitting around the star at a lesser speed and not a comet?

Hope my question is clear, framing it otherwise why do asteroids not turn into raging comets or comets into sedate asteroids?

Thanks again :smile:
 
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raknath said:
Hi all


Have been thinking about this for sometime, what is the fundamental difference that makes an asteroid an object orbitting around the star at a lesser speed and not a comet?

Hope my question is clear, framing it otherwise why do asteroids not turn into raging comets or comets into sedate asteroids?

Thanks again :smile:

Comets are almost exclusively in highly elliptical orbits (why we only see them every hundred years). This is thought to be because they were objects ejected (by some form of gravitational pertubation) from the Kuiper belt or Oort Cloud. An object in such a highly elliptical orbit spends a comparatively low amount of its life near enough to the sun to remove any gasses and melt any ices (what we observe as the comet's tail). An asteroid close enough to the sun would be stripped of these elements within a fairly short period of time.

Though, the distinction is based almost solely on their appearance. Certainly an asteroid in the outer solar system could have the same composition as a comet which streaks through the solar system with a fairly long period. The difference is, because the asteroid is in a (much more) circular orbit, there is no perceptible change in its appearance (increase in luminosity), so they go undiscovered. If someone were to magically throw it towards the inner solar system, it would appear the same.
 
What you are basically saying is that random gravitational perturbances cause the asteroid/stellar body to assume some extra velocity which in turn is added on by the gravitational pull of the star near it and hence it becomes a comet

Am i correct then in assuming that the flip-flop between an asteroid and comet is a matter of pure chance?
 
raknath said:
Am i correct then in assuming that the flip-flop between an asteroid and comet is a matter of pure chance?
It's an arbitrary definition, like the split between a planet and an asteroid.
Any rock can become either depending on it's interactions.
 
mgb_phys said:
It's an arbitrary definition, like the split between a planet and an asteroid.
Any rock can become either depending on it's interactions.

comets have more ice or frozen gas to form a tail
and fewer hard high melting stuff in them
a rocky or metal asteroid will not form a tail
unless it gets so close to the sun to melt
the rock or metal

has there ever been a rock or metal comet without ice
 
ray b said:
comets have more ice or frozen gas to form a tail
and fewer hard high melting stuff in them
what does a comet become when all it's ice has evaporated?

has there ever been a rock or metal comet without ice
Most of them, it only takes a few 1000s orbits for most to lose all their volatiles.
 
mgb_phys said:
what does a comet become when all it's ice has evaporated?


Most of them, it only takes a few 1000s orbits for most to lose all their volatiles.

but at that point it is no longer a comet!
but a asteroid with a odd orbit
 
The Oort cloud, as Nabeshin noted, is the short answer. An asteroid is essentially a comet with little or no volatiles on its surface [such as ice]. Asteroids typically have orbits within the confines of Jupiter's orbit. See
http://nasm.si.edu/research/ceps/etp/comets/comet_orbits.html
 
Any rock IMO can become an ice ball far enough into space, which possibly explains why comets originate at the Oort cloud?
 

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