What Makes You Unique from Your Clone?

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The discussion explores the philosophical and theoretical implications of human cloning, particularly focusing on the identity and uniqueness of a clone compared to the original person. Participants consider aspects of memory, experience, and the nature of individuality in the context of cloning, touching on both fictional scenarios and real-world analogs such as identical twins.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that even with identical memories, a clone is not the same as the original due to the different experiences they would have from the moment of creation.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of clones having memories from the original is a misunderstanding, emphasizing that clones would not share experiences prior to their creation.
  • A participant challenges the hypothetical nature of the discussion, stating that without clear parameters, it is difficult to engage meaningfully with the question posed.
  • One participant proposes a scenario where clones could be connected in a way that allows them to share experiences, questioning what would constitute their individuality.
  • Another participant references twin studies to highlight the influence of environment and genetics on identity, suggesting that both factors contribute to what makes individuals unique.
  • A later reply expresses confusion about the proposed scenarios and the relevance of a specific figure mentioned in the discussion.
  • One participant attempts to clarify their position by suggesting a theoretical framework where a person's mind could be transferred to a clone, raising questions about the nature of identity and what separates the original from the clone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of cloning and identity, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the importance of experiences in shaping individuality, while others contest the feasibility of the scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on hypothetical scenarios and fictional contexts, which may limit the applicability of their arguments to real-world cloning discussions. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of identity and memory, with some assumptions remaining unexamined.

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I had this really odd thought. If you cloned yourself and you have identical memory with the clone, the clone is not you and he/she is not you, that makes the clone unique. What identifies or separates the two?

What I'm getting at is this. What is it that makes you and the clone separate, say for example you could switch off and become the clone or vice versa. Is there a unique 'signature' somewhere ? Obviously the thought of 2 people 'connected', would create some sort of problem, you can't see with four eyes sort of thing?

Where would you start looking and what for?

I know this sounds weird but have a go!
 
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The clone and yourself would start having different experiences from the moment it was created, and this would be what makes the two of you different even if you both had the same memories from the point of creation.

There is a lot of research of identical twins that in part tries to answer this question. Is it nature or nurture that makes us who we are? At this point it would seem that both contribute.
 
I think a common misunderstanding of clones is that they are full grown and/or have memories from the original.
 
What you propose is purely fiction so without sufficient parameters for us to follow supplied by you then we have no way to hypothetically answer your question. And since those parameters only exist in your mind, only your mind can come up with something that would be acceptable to you.

The only thing we have in the real world would be identical twins, and they are their own person with their own memory from the day they are born.
 
It's not fiction. It's not known. Let me explain what I mean.

http://www.adamcanfixyourcomputer.co.uk/images/image1.jpg

Fig 1 - You are the line

Fig 2 - You are cloned - essentially a copy nothing else

Fig 3 - You and the clone are joined by together by something and are able to see feel what they other person does.

Imagine also, if your line ran out and that you could 'jump' into the clones line and still be the same.

What would it be that could connect them? What is this unknown item that makes them individual.
 
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The answer is 42. Just in case you were wondering.

Another answer is this - read up on twin studies. Environment does affect behaviors in different ways when two "clones" (aka monozygotic twins) grow up living apart and unaware of each other. Others behaviors and wonts appear to be largely genetic. That was Evo's point.

And what the heck is figure #3 - a detour? A new reality? I'm confused.
 
I can't believe how difficult it is to explain. Try this -
In a reality where there is human cloning etc. The clones are frozen until the person that needs it dies. His/Her mind can be transferred and he would wake up as him. At the moment we are skirting around the idea of physical copying and identity. I mean the above where the person is the same as before. So what would you need to do? Re-program the brain? I am trying to find out what it is that separates you from a clone in our understanding then apply a new idea (theory) to it and make the clones Identical so that he/she can be copied to a clone and wake up the same. Is this any clearer?

Watch the "6th Day" film and it might help.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216216/
 

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