What Math Topic Should I Learn Next?

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The discussion revolves around the optimal order of learning various mathematical topics essential for university-level physics, specifically focusing on ordinary differential equations (ODE), partial differential equations (PDE), vector calculus, and linear algebra. Participants share their experiences and recommendations regarding the sequence in which these subjects should be approached.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting with linear algebra, arguing it provides a foundational understanding that aids in both Calculus III and ODEs.
  • Others recommend beginning with Calculus III (vector calculus and multivariable calculus), asserting it is a prerequisite for ODEs and PDEs.
  • A participant mentions that ODEs are essential before tackling PDEs, but acknowledges that ODEs can be approached without extensive knowledge of multivariable calculus.
  • Several participants express that linear algebra enhances comprehension in both Calculus III and ODEs, making the learning process smoother.
  • One participant shares their experience of taking Calculus III and linear algebra simultaneously, finding linear algebra easier and beneficial to their understanding of the material.
  • Another participant likens linear algebra to a foundational ingredient that supports the understanding of other mathematical concepts, suggesting it should be learned early.
  • Some participants emphasize that while it is possible to succeed in Calculus III and ODEs without prior knowledge of linear algebra, having that knowledge significantly clarifies the material.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the order of learning these topics. There are competing views on whether linear algebra or Calculus III should be learned first, with some advocating for linear algebra as a precursor to both Calculus III and ODEs, while others prioritize Calculus III.

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Participants reference their personal experiences and educational backgrounds, which may influence their recommendations. The discussion reflects varying curricula and teaching quality, particularly regarding the effectiveness of courses in linear algebra and Calculus III.

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I am self teaching myself some of the math that will be needed for university physics. I have just finished Calculus 1 and most of 2. I have been told I should learn ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and linear algebra. In what order should I learn these topics?
 
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I would say linear algebra first. It is helpful to know before taking Calc 3 and Vector Calculus. I cannot say with ODE/PDE, as I have no experience there...
 
There are many ways to do this.

I recommend you do calc 3 (vector + multivariable) or linear algebra first, then ODE(a must for PDE), then PDE.

There are more courses like Fourier analysis, and complex variables that you can do after ODEs.

As far as I know, these are all the most useful maths for physics. There could be more.
 
I agree with Klungo, calc 3 is probably the best place to start. I would say though, that I actually took calc 3 and linear algebra at the same time and found linear algebra to be significantly easier... so you wouldn't be lost if you chose to look at it first, provided you understand the basics of vectors. The main thing is that you should probably learn calc 3 before ODE's, and ODE's before PDE's, though technically you could learn ODE's without knowing much, or any, multivariable calc.

At my university the sequence is: Calc 3 ---> ODE ---> advanced vector/multivar. calc ---> PDE/complex analysis/etc.

You can really mix linear algebra in anywhere... probably the sooner, the better, though.
 
I don't know why people say calc III before linear algebra. I've found that that knowing linear algebra makes everything in Calc III and ODE a lot easier. Note, it isn't impossible to do well in those courses without linear algebra, but it is nice to already have a good feel for vectors, and matrix operations. In my experience, it brings a lot more clarity to things that otherwise would have to just be memorized or glazed over.
 
Linear algebra is directly relevant for ODEs. For Calc III, if you actually have a good course in it, you do see linear algebra (my CC course in it wasn't good).

It sure feels great taking linear algebra now and actually completing what I've learned in ODEs that first seemed unnecessary (lin indep, gen sol, etc).
 
I think linear algebra is kind of like the flour that holds the calc 3 cakes and diff eq pastries together. It seems kind of weird at first, but when put into context really is handy to know. That said I think you can easily do calc 3 prior, I would take linear algebra prior to diff eq as the subject makes much more sense with it especially when you get into systems.
 
MarneMath said:
I don't know why people say calc III before linear algebra. I've found that that knowing linear algebra makes everything in Calc III and ODE a lot easier. Note, it isn't impossible to do well in those courses without linear algebra, but it is nice to already have a good feel for vectors, and matrix operations. In my experience, it brings a lot more clarity to things that otherwise would have to just be memorized or glazed over.

I agree. I took a combined linear algebra/Diffy Q class and it felt disjointed because we applied linear algebra without really knowing the what it meant. After that semester I went back and learned linear algebra separately and everything made more sense. I think linear algebra should be taught as early as possible because it comes up all the time.
 

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