What Metal is in the Unknown Sulfate Sample from the Precipitate Lab?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the metal present in an unknown sulfate sample obtained from a precipitate lab experiment. Participants explore the procedures used to isolate the sulfate and the subsequent analysis needed to determine the metal's identity.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the procedure involving mixing an unknown sulfate powder with water and barium nitrate to precipitate barium sulfate.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of using mass percentages, indicating a need for clarity on the experiment's aim.
  • A participant clarifies that the goal is to identify the unknown substance.
  • One suggestion involves using stoichiometry to calculate the molar mass of the unknown metal based on the mass of the original sulfate powder and the mass of the precipitate.
  • Another participant notes the possibility of multiple metal ions being present for each sulfate ion in the original sample.
  • A question is raised about whether the identity of the metal in the unknown sample has been established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the experiment's aim and the methods for identifying the metal. There is no consensus on the identity of the metal, and multiple approaches are suggested without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific mass values or detailed calculations, which may limit the ability to reach a conclusion about the unknown metal. The discussion also lacks clarity on the definitions of terms used in the experiment.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students engaged in chemistry lab work, particularly those focused on qualitative analysis and stoichiometry in precipitate reactions.

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Homework Statement


I have a percipitate lab.
We have an unknown sulfate powder that we mixed with water and then added Barium Nitrate in order to get the sulfate out of the mix. The entire sulfate, nitrate mixture was mixed with HCl to make the particles bigger and then it was heated for flocculation. I filtered out the percipitate and got it's mass, as well as the volume of the new nitrate solution. Right now the equation is looking like:

Homework Equations


XSO4 +Ba(NO3)2 --> XNO3 +BaSO4

The Attempt at a Solution


I was thinking of using mass percents
 
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Wouldn't hurt if you told us what for you want to use these mass percentages.

In other words: you have described the procedure, but you have not explained what was the aim of the experiment.
 
Sorry! I need to find what the unknown substance is.
 
Do you know the mass of the original sulfate powder? With that information and the mass of the precipitate, you can calculate the molar mass of element X by simple stoichiometry.
 
hilbert2 said:
Do you know the mass of the original sulfate powder? With that information and the mass of the precipitate, you can calculate the molar mass of element X by simple stoichiometry.
Yes I have the mass of the original sulfate powder. I tried my best to get it as close to 1gram as possible, and there is about 24.88mL of the barium nitrate (because its concentration level we calculated how much we needed in order to make the best possible reaction). We then added 1 mL of HCl, and heated it in order to make the precipitate particles as large as possible.

Your idea is what I thought should be done, but got a bit confused because so much is happening within the lab. Thank you!
 
Also note that there may be more than one metal ion for every sulfate ion in the original sample, as in ##Na_2 SO_4##.
 
Have you established which metal your unknown sample contains?
 

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