Uncovering the Flaw in a Chemistry Lab Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a chemistry lab experiment where participants investigate the unexpectedly high yield of barium sulfate precipitate formed from the reaction of copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate and barium nitrate. The focus is on identifying potential flaws in the experimental setup and calculations, as well as exploring alternative lab suggestions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the inherent flaw in the experiment, noting that all groups recorded yields exceeding stoichiometric predictions.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations and suggests that variations in the composition of copper sulfate pentahydrate due to environmental factors could lead to discrepancies in yield.
  • Concerns are raised about the drying method for barium sulfate, with a suggestion that insufficient drying could result in higher mass due to retained water.
  • A participant mentions that the students air-dried the precipitate overnight in a low humidity climate, indicating that they believed the sample was adequately dry.
  • There is a request for better suggestions for percent yield labs, indicating a desire for improved experimental design.
  • Participants share resources for lab ideas and tools for checking calculations, with one participant promoting a specific program for its utility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential causes of the high yield, with some attributing it to the composition of the reactants and others to the drying process. No consensus is reached regarding the primary flaw in the experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the variability in the composition of copper sulfate pentahydrate and the drying conditions for barium sulfate, which may affect the results. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school chemistry educators, students conducting similar experiments, and those interested in laboratory practices and yield calculations.

Virogen
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Any ideas what the inherent flaw in this experiment is?

Homework Statement


In the lab (actual lab), we combined copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate with barium nitrate to form barium sulfate (precipitate). Every group got a 115% or higher yield than stoichiometry would predict.

Ba(NO3)2 + CuSO4 5H2O --> Cu(NO3)2 + BaSO4 + 5H2O

Mass of barium nitrate: 1 g
Mass of copper(II sulfate pentahydrate) 0.75 g

Moles of copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate: 0.75g/249.71g/mol = 0.00300 mol
Moles of barium nitrate: 1g/261.35 g/mol = 0.00383 mol

The limiting reagent is thus copper(II) sulfate pentahydrate, and because of the 1:1 mole ratio, 0.00300 mol of barium sulfate should be produced.

0.00300 mol x 233.39 g/mol = 0.700g

However, all my students recorded at least 0.8 g... I'm very confused. It must have something to do with the water/pentahydrate?? But I can't see that mathematically if I try to remove the water completely. Any ideas what the flaw in this experiment is?
 
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Your calculations are correct (I got 0.7011g, using exact values of molar masses):

Ba(NO3)2+CuSO45H2O.png


Two things I can think of.

First, copper sulfate pentahydrate doesn't have an exact composition - exact number of water molecules depends on the temperature, humidity and the sample history. If memory serves me well it is quite possible that the sulfate you were using was not pentahydrate, but something like four-and-half-hydrate.

Second, how were you drying the barium sulfate? In analytical chemistry we roast it to the constant mass in the 600-800°C, lower temperatures don't guarantee it will be completely dry. If it contains water its mass will be higher than expected.
 
Well it's only high school so we let them air dry overnight (and it's a low humidity climate). It seemed very dry and flaked easily. Combined with the idea that it may not all be pentahydrate could possibly account for it.

Do you have a better suggestion for a percent yield lab?

Also, what program did you use to check these calculations? It looks massively helpful!
 
Some lab sites I know about:

http://www.rsc.org/learn-chemistry/wiki/Lab:Practical_Chemistry
http://science-house.org/index.php/ctc
http://www.mrteverett.com/chemistry/labs/labs.asp

Unfortunately, none seems to have just a "yield" lab. I would also look for ideas in the Journal of Chemical Education. Also, just googling for "percent yield lab" gives plenty of hits.

Virogen said:
Also, what program did you use to check these calculations? It looks massively helpful!

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. It is massively helpful by design :wink:

You may also want to check this quiz preparation story - there is more to the program than is apparent from the screenshot, and there are more helpful programs (all with 30-days free trial versions).

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