What Ratio of Y to X Should Determine Life-Saving Decisions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the ethical implications of prioritizing life-saving decisions based on the ratio of lives saved from terrorism versus other causes. Participants explore the complexities of assigning value to lives lost in different contexts, particularly in light of recent events and societal perceptions of risk.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clarity of the term "worth" in the context of saving lives from different causes.
  • Another participant suggests that the poll lacks sensitivity and is inappropriate given recent events, expressing a desire for others to abstain from voting.
  • Some participants propose that a ratio greater than 1:19 should be considered acceptable for prioritizing lives saved from other causes over those lost to terrorism.
  • A participant argues that the impact of terrorism should not be measured solely by body counts, highlighting broader economic and social repercussions.
  • There is a discussion about the ethical implications of personal choices leading to health issues, with some arguing that individuals who engage in risky behaviors should not be surprised by the consequences.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the perceived insensitivity of the poll and its implications for those affected by recent tragedies.
  • Another participant encourages voting in the poll, asserting that it is not a rhetorical question and that different perspectives on the ratio are valid.
  • There are multiple references to the emotional weight of discussing lives lost in terrorism versus other causes, with some participants feeling that the conversation is in poor taste.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the appropriateness of the poll or the ethical considerations surrounding the prioritization of lives. Disagreement exists regarding the sensitivity of the topic and the implications of personal responsibility in health-related deaths.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference recent tragic events, which may influence their emotional responses and perspectives on the discussion. The complexity of defining "worth" in life-saving scenarios remains unresolved, and assumptions about personal responsibility and societal obligations are debated.

X, Y in order (see below)

  • 7, 13

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6, 14

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5, 15

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4, 16

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3, 17

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2, 18

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
  • #61
BicycleTree said:
Edit: Brewnog, the difference between this and other focuses of attention is that this one is highly political and therefore important.

So what's the problem with the amount of discussion it received then?

BicycleTree said:
And you know, I have asked a question recently.

Good for you, but I think you missed the point entirely. I'm sure that anyone who is interested in it will add their comments. I will resist the temptation to try and tell these people that they're wasting their time discussing it, and should instead be discussing the price of crude oil, or the suicide bomb which has just gone off in Iraq, killing 20.
 
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  • #62
So what's the problem with the amount of discussion it received then?
There is no problem with the amount of discussion that the question of the amount of discussion of terrorist actions with low body count is receiving is receiving. The way you phrased it, that seemed to be what you were referring to; possibly you misinterpreted what I said.

Jumping to what you probably meant to be talking about, the problem with the discussion of the terrorist actions with low body count is that it makes these things seem more important on the large scale than they really are--not that each individual death is not important, which it is--and encourages drastic military action for a threat that is not as large as it seems.


100 people died of cancer in the USA in the past 40 minutes.
 
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  • #63
On behalf of everyone who was disgusted by your comments, I will accept that as a full apology.

Thanks.
 
  • #64
I think you merely misinterpreted my post, twice.
 
  • #65
You largely focused on obesity-related deaths, and you know it. There was only a hint or two about other "causes"--these causes carefully left ambiguous. Anyway, it seems you shared a different view in the other post:
BicycleTree said:
..that non-nuclear terrorism is insignificant compared to larger, curable problems such as obesity..
Now you say:
BicycleTree said:
..there are reasons--terrorism being a cause much out of the victim's control being one of them--to view deaths from terrorism as somewhat more important than deaths from other causes..

My only point was that I can express more pity for those who die uncontrolled deaths than those who die controlled ones. And that's all I said, and all I implied--there are no statistics involved. Simply admit that your (impudent) attitude in the last post was wrong, and I will be fine.
 
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  • #66
Actually, the causes were not left ambiguous. I stated in the OP:
"Other deaths" are deaths to cancer, heart disease, stroke, Alzheimer's, accidents, pneumonia, etc.
The assumption about uncontrolled deaths is that an "other death" is often a preventable death.
 
  • #67
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
 
  • #68
What you said seemed pretty clear to me.
 
  • #69
If you think I have missed something, why don't you bring it up again? Odds are, I already consider it addressed under one of my points.
 
  • #70
Are you talking about the previous thread? That's the thread I'm talking about--the one in which you were mostly comparing obesity- with terrorist-related deaths. ANYWAY, I am so done with this. I think I've given you my views, and I have wasted way too much time on this. Sorry, but bye.
 

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