What role does torsion'' play in string theory?

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The discussion revolves around the role of torsion in string theory, particularly in relation to general relativity and its implications for theories involving fermions and supergravity. Participants explore the theoretical significance of torsion and its potential consequences in string theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that general relativity assumes a torsion-free connection, but argue that torsion should not be ignored from a geometrical perspective, especially in string theory.
  • One participant suggests that in gravity coupled to spinors, torsion should be considered, proposing that fermionic superstrings might have a non-zero spinor tensor.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for the Einstein-Cartan theory, which incorporates non-vanishing torsion, and argues that this framework is more natural than pure general relativity.
  • A participant mentions "discrete torsion" in string theory, referencing its origins in the context of orbifolds and questioning its relationship to torsion in Einstein-Cartan theory.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the relevance of torsion in string theory, suggesting that since string theory produces the equations of general relativity, torsion may not be applicable.
  • Another participant agrees that string theory produces supergravity, indicating that there is no inherent reason to restrict it to a torsion-free framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and implications of torsion in string theory. While some argue for its significance, others question its applicability, leading to an unresolved discussion regarding its role.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that torsion is non-propagating and may vanish in the vacuum, which complicates its detection and relevance in practical scenarios.

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What role does "torsion'' play in string theory?

In general relativity we assume that connection is torsion free. However from a purely geometrical viewpoint, the concept of torsion can not be ignored (theoretically) and in string theory, it is said that "torsion" does play its role. Can anybody tell what consequences arise if torsion is taken into account?
 
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arroy_0205 said:
In general relativity we assume that connection is torsion free. However from a purely geometrical viewpoint, the concept of torsion can not be ignored (theoretically) and in string theory, it is said that "torsion" does play its role. Can anybody tell what consequences arise if torsion is taken into account?

I believe that even in gravity coupled to spinors torsion should be taken into account. That is gravity should have two sources the energy-momentum tensor and the the spinor tensor. I guess that the same would be true of string theory. So fermionic superstrings should have a non-zero spinor tensor?! That would be my guess.
 


For me the Einstein-Cartan theory with non-vanishing torsion based on Riemann-Cartan manifolds is much more natural than the pure GR framework with its restriction to torsion-free geometries. This becomes clear if one considers gauge aspects of gravity and fermion coupling.

Einstein-Cartan theory differs from GR, but the difference is not visible experimentally since torsion is non-propagation and therefore should vanish in the vacuum. It cannot be detected.

I guess this carries over to SUGRA. I do not know about the situation in ST, but I guess it's rather similar. I would expect 10d torsion to play a role as well.
 


I have seen something called "discrete torsion" in ST which comes up as a result of some arbitrariness in writing the partition function on orbifolds. This is how it was originally explained by Vafa. Later, it has acquired a geometrical explanation which I am not very sure about (ref: hep-th/9909108, hep-th/9909120). Can someone tell me if and how they are related to the torsion in Einstein-Cartan theory?
 


I am not expert of GR, but I think that GR does not use torsion, and string theory produces the equations of GR, so torsion is still out of the play, is it?
 


That's correct tomy knowledge. But string theory produces SUGRA as well, and there is no reason why one should restrict to a torsion-free SUGRA.
 

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