What Shapes Can We Visualize in the Fourth Dimension?

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The discussion centers on the visualization of the fourth spatial dimension, with references to "Flatland" and the concept of tesseracts. Participants explain that the fourth dimension has two perpendicular directions, termed "ana" and "kata," which relate to how four-dimensional objects would intersect with our three-dimensional space. The conversation also touches on string theory, suggesting that higher dimensions can be represented through geometric constructs, and emphasizes the complexity of understanding angles and lengths in four-dimensional space.

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  • Understanding of basic geometric concepts, including points, lines, and angles.
  • Familiarity with the book "Flatland" by Edwin A. Abbott for foundational context.
  • Knowledge of string theory and its implications for higher dimensions.
  • Basic grasp of vector mathematics and how it applies to multiple dimensions.
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  • Explore the concept of tesseracts and their representations in three-dimensional space.
  • Study the implications of string theory on the understanding of dimensions beyond the fourth.
  • Learn about vector operations and their generalization to higher dimensions.
  • Investigate the geometric properties of four-dimensional shapes and their intersections with three-dimensional space.
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This discussion is beneficial for mathematicians, physicists, and anyone interested in theoretical physics, particularly those exploring concepts of higher dimensions and their geometric representations.

  • #61
It's certainly interesting to note that we can accurately state the mass of something we cannot accurately locate. Uncertainty states we cannot accurately predict the location of the electron at any given moment ... so how can we so accurately state it's mass?

My mind's still groggy from New Year - so no doubt you'll elucidate.

As for this apparent electron mass being enough to determine an atom's 'movement' through space (as implied by John), I'm still not convinced. Let's face it, anything with a mass so teeny tiny is pretty much insignificant in gravitational terms ... isn't it?

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The uncertainty principle states that you can't accurately measure BOTH of a pair of complementary observables AT THE SAME TIME. For this discussion the two important pairs of complementary observables are momentum and position, and energy and time (say, duration). If you don't care about one of a pair, you can measure the other one as accurately as you want. The thing about mass is that, unlike momentum, energy, or duration, it is persistent. So you can exploit that. The mass of the electron is determined from seeing how it scatters.
 
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Originally posted by theriddler876
hey, anyone out there care to offer their thoughts on the fourth dimension? as in what would it be, all I have is that a fourth dimensional object would seem like a 3 dimensional object moving down and then disapearing?
Try stronger questions. For instance how many regular (or platonic) bodies can you visualize (or find) in four dimensions? How many in five? How many in three? (In two there are infinite).
 

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