What Should the Banking Angle Be to Prevent a Car from Sliding?

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The discussion revolves around determining the banking angle required to prevent a car from sliding off a banked curve. The problem involves concepts from dynamics and friction, specifically focusing on forces acting on a vehicle in motion on a curved path.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the banking angle using equations of motion and friction, but expresses uncertainty about how to handle multiple unknowns. Participants question the conceptual understanding of the problem and suggest considering the forces acting in different directions.

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Participants are engaged in exploring the problem, with some offering guidance on focusing on specific components of the forces involved. There is an indication of productive dialogue, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to finding the banking angle.

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The original poster notes the known values such as maximum speed, gravitational acceleration, and the coefficient of friction, but highlights the challenge of having multiple unknowns, particularly the radius and the banking angle itself.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


\SigmaF=ma
ac=(v^2/r)
f = \muN

The Attempt at a Solution


\SigmaFradial= (radial-coordinate of normal force) + (radial component of friction) = ((mass)(velocity^2)/(radius))
\SigmaFy= (y-component of normal force) - (y-component of friction) = (mass)(gravity)

\SigmaFradial= Nsin\theta+\muNcos\theta = (mv^2/r)
\SigmaFy=Ncos\theta - \muNsin\theta = (mg)

I divided the equations for Fradial by the equation for Fy
and it yielded...

tan\theta = (v^2-\murg)/(rg+\muv^2)

so in order to find theta which I am looking for

\theta= arctan (v^2-\murg)/(rg+\muv^2)

but I have 2 unknowns...
we know
Vmax = 100km/h which is approx 27.78 m/s
g = 9.81 m/s^2 (this is given in the problem)
r= ?
\theta = ?
\mu= 0.22

also I am not sure how to conceptualize the part of the problem where i need to find out what theta needs to be to keep the car from sliding in the ditch.
I feel i can find the upper limit but not the lower. I thought about subbing something in for r to find theta but I'm stumped.
 
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what do you have so far? If nothing mathematical, what concepts are you thinking about?
 
im trying to get it to work, and the symbol stuff is screwing up.. how do i delete the post and start over?
 
Just start A new post I suppose.
 
okay i fixed everything, please help me out. The homework is already turned in, I just want the knowledge..
 
think about the x-direction of the normal force from the bank.
 

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