What Should You Research About Uncaused Quantum Events and Their Implications?

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The discussion revolves around the topic of uncaused quantum events and their implications within quantum mechanics. Participants explore various aspects of quantum processes that appear to lack discernible causes, including spontaneous emission and radioactive decay, while seeking clarity on the terminology and specific phenomena involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in researching uncaused quantum events but finds the terminology vague.
  • Another participant mentions spontaneous emission and radioactive decay as examples of quantum processes where occurrences cannot be predicted, only their probabilities.
  • A participant questions the definition of "discernible cause" in the context of quantum mechanics, suggesting that many quantum processes could fit this description.
  • References to literature are provided, including Judea Pearl's work on causality and its implications for quantum mechanics, as well as discussions on Bell's theorem and its relationship to local causality.
  • Some participants highlight the operational randomness implied by the violation of Bell inequalities and its relevance to quantum random number generators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and definition of "uncaused quantum events," with no consensus on what specific phenomena should be included in this category. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of the subject matter.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms used and the assumptions underlying the concept of causality in quantum mechanics. Participants do not reach a clear agreement on the specific subset of quantum processes being referred to.

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I want to do some research on the subject. What sorts of things should I look into?

Not looking for religious comments on uncaused causes. ;)
 
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spontaneous emission
radioactive decay
We can't predict when they occur, only the probability.
 
Thank you!
 
sayetsu said:
I want to do some research on the subject.

What is the subject? "Uncaused quantum events" is vague; there is no such terminology in the actual theory of quantum mechanics. What in particular are you trying to research?
 
I don't know what it's called! Just anything in QM with no discernible cause. I've heard there are such things.
 
As khashishi suggested, radioactive decay is a good example. When an unstable nucleus decays, there is no known cause, it just does.
 
sayetsu said:
anything in QM with no discernible cause

What's your definition of "discernible cause"?

phyzguy said:
When an unstable nucleus decays, there is no known cause, it just does.

This is true of any quantum process. So is any other reasonably obvious interpretation of "no discernible cause". So I don't understand what particular subset of quantum processes the OP is trying to ask about.
 
sayetsu said:
I've heard there are such things.

Where did you hear such things?

Zz.
 
https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=f4nuexsNVZIC&source=gbs_navlinks_s
Causality by Judea Pearl

Pearl's book includes comments about quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics violates local causality - this is the content of Bell's theorem.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.06413
Causarum Investigatio and the Two Bell's Theorems of John Bell
Howard M. Wiseman, Eric G. Cavalcanti

Wood and Spekkens talk about the relationship between Pearl's work and quantum mechanics.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1208.4119
The lesson of causal discovery algorithms for quantum correlations: Causal explanations of Bell-inequality violations require fine-tuning
Christopher J. Wood, Robert W. Spekkens

 
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Will look. Thanks.
 
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As summarized by Wiseman and Cavalcanti, the violation of a Bell inequality implies "operational" randomness. Because randomness is needed by certain crytographic algorithms, some people have proposed quantum random number generators that are certified by a Bell inequality.

https://arxiv.org/abs/0911.3427
Random Numbers Certified by Bell's Theorem
S. Pironio, A. Acin, S. Massar, A. Boyer de la Giroday, D. N. Matsukevich, P. Maunz, S. Olmschenk, D. Hayes, L. Luo, T. A. Manning, C. Monroe
 

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