What smallest value of kinetic friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a pulley system with two masses, m1 and m2, where m1 is on an inclined plane and m2 is hanging. The problem requires determining the acceleration of the system and the smallest value of kinetic friction that would prevent acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to solve for the acceleration in part A and is now focusing on part B, where they express confusion about setting up the equations correctly for a system at rest. They mention needing to set acceleration to zero and are unsure about their calculations.

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Participants are engaging in clarifying the problem setup and discussing the equations involved. There is a request for more detail on the final equation for acceleration to better understand the situation. Some participants highlight the absence of a visual aid, which is crucial for full comprehension.

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The original poster notes that this is their first post, indicating a potential lack of experience with the forum or the problem type. There is also mention of confusion regarding the application of equations and the need for symbolic representation rather than numerical values.

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Homework Statement


(a) suppose the coefficient of μκ between m1 and the plane in Fig 4-57 is 0.15, and that m1=m2=2.7 kg. As m2 moves down, determine the magnitude of the acceleration of m1 and m2, given θ = 25°. (b) What smallest value of kinetic friction will keep this system from accelerating?


Homework Equations


There are many equations...
For part A, ƩF = Fg - Ft +Fn
Fg = mg
ƩF = Fg - Ft
Ff = μ(Fn)
Part B, I'm not too sure.
I was going to have Ft - Fg - Ff = ƩF, and have ƩF=0 because ƩF = ma, and acceleration would be 0, but then I was confused.


The Attempt at a Solution


I solved Part A... the acceleration is 2.16. If you want me to go through the whole process, I will, just for the sake of time, I was hoping to just start from part B, where I'm absolutely stuck. I know that I have to set acceleration equal to zero, but when I tried I got 0.14 instead of the answer, 0.64.

Any suggestions? ...and does that even make sense? Sorry, it's my first post.
 
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Welcome to PH Forums.

It's hard to help without the figure!
 


I can't copy it, but it's a pulley system. M2 is hanging over the side of the inclined plane, and M1 is sliding down the 25 degree angle. Does that help?
 


I think you'll have to spell out your final equation for the acceleration (symbolic form, no numbers) so we can see where things stand.
 


From Part A, there were two equations involving acceleration (ƩF = ma)... ƩF = Fg - Ft and ƩF = Ft - Fg - Ff. The first one was applied to the hanging box, box 2, because there was no friction. (Conversely, the second equation included Ff, as box 1 was sliding down the inclined plane.)

These formulas were then set equal to each other, which found the answer to part A, finding the acceleration.

I'm not sure how to put them into the second part of the problem.
 

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