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Homework Statement



Objects with masses m1 = 12.0 kg and m2 = 4.00 kg are connected by a light string that passes over a frictionless pulley. If, when the system starts from rest, m2 falls 1.00 m in 1.70 s, determine the coefficient of kinetic friction between m1 and the table.



Homework Equations



Fg = Fn = mg
F = ma
μ = Ff/Fn

The Attempt at a Solution



Fg = mg
Fg = 16*9.8
Fg = 156.8 = Fn

F = ma [m2]
= 4*9.8
= 39.2

ƩFx = m2 - Ff (sum of all forces in the x direction is = m2 - Frictional force)
= 39.2 - Ff
Ff = 39.2

μ = Ff/Fn
μ = 39.2/156.8
μ = .25

I tried entering the coefficient of kinetic friction into the "submit box" but the answer is incorrect.
could somebody please point out my mistake?
 
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this is the picture i have
 

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thanks :)
and acceleration is:
Δx = .5 a t^2
1 = .5(a)1.7^2
1 = 1.445a
.69 = a
 
Your mistake is in your calculation of normal force. Only m1 should factor into normal force. M2 experiences only gravity and tension :)
 
i multiply m1 by .69?
 
It is OK,
but do not round off during the calculations, keep one more digit as the number of the significant digits in the data. And show the unit. So a=0.6920 m/s2

The acceleration of m2 is know, so the net force on m2 is F=m2a. What forces act on m2?

ehild
 
gravity and tension?
 
ngorecki said:
i multiply m1 by .69?

If you multiply m1 with the common acceleration, you get the net horizontal force on m1. That force is the resultant of what forces?

Think of the string. Does it exert force?

ehild
 
the string which is connected to m2 pulls m1. and then there is friction on m1
 
gravity on m2 = 39.2 N. the tension = 39.2 also?
and friction is in the "negative" direction
force from m2 is in the "positive" direction
 
ngorecki said:
gravity on m2 = 39.2 N. the tension = 39.2 also?
and friction is in the "negative" direction
force from m2 is in the "positive" direction

The tension in the rope acts upward on m2. See the picture, I added the forces. So the net force on m2 is m2g-T=m2a. What is T then?

ehild
 

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ƩFx = T - Ff
ƩFx = 36.432 - Ff
Ff = 36.432 N
 
M1 = ma
M1 = 12 * .692
M1 = 8.304

M1 = T- Ff
8.304 = 36.432 - Ff
Ff + 8.034 = 36.432
Ff = 28.398

Is this accurate?
 
the mass of m1 * acceleration = 8.304
then i take the mass of m1 * gravity = 117.6
u = Ff/Fn = 28.128/117.6 = .239

the answer is.239