Quick look over friction pulley system

In summary, two objects with masses of 12.0 kg and 4.00 kg, connected by a light string passing over a frictionless pulley, are given. When the system starts from rest, the lighter object falls 1.00 m in 1.70 s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the heavier object and the table is determined to be 0.239. The forces acting on the objects are found to be gravity and tension, with the tension being equal to 36.432 N. The force of friction on the heavier object is calculated to be 28.398 N.
  • #1
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Homework Statement



Objects with masses m1 = 12.0 kg and m2 = 4.00 kg are connected by a light string that passes over a frictionless pulley. If, when the system starts from rest, m2 falls 1.00 m in 1.70 s, determine the coefficient of kinetic friction between m1 and the table.



Homework Equations



Fg = Fn = mg
F = ma
μ = Ff/Fn

The Attempt at a Solution



Fg = mg
Fg = 16*9.8
Fg = 156.8 = Fn

F = ma [m2]
= 4*9.8
= 39.2

ƩFx = m2 - Ff (sum of all forces in the x direction is = m2 - Frictional force)
= 39.2 - Ff
Ff = 39.2

μ = Ff/Fn
μ = 39.2/156.8
μ = .25

I tried entering the coefficient of kinetic friction into the "submit box" but the answer is incorrect.
could somebody please point out my mistake?
 
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  • #2
Is there a table in the problem? A drawing would be nice, with free body diagram for both masses.

ehild
 
  • #3
this is the picture i have
 

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  • #4
Nice picture:smile:.
Both blocks accelerate with the same amount as they are connected with a spring.
m2 falls 1 m in 1.7 s. What is its acceleration?

ehild
 
  • #5
thanks :)
and acceleration is:
Δx = .5 a t^2
1 = .5(a)1.7^2
1 = 1.445a
.69 = a
 
  • #6
Your mistake is in your calculation of normal force. Only m1 should factor into normal force. M2 experiences only gravity and tension :)
 
  • #7
i multiply m1 by .69?
 
  • #8
It is OK,
but do not round off during the calculations, keep one more digit as the number of the significant digits in the data. And show the unit. So a=0.6920 m/s2

The acceleration of m2 is know, so the net force on m2 is F=m2a. What forces act on m2?

ehild
 
  • #9
gravity and tension?
 
  • #10
ngorecki said:
i multiply m1 by .69?

If you multiply m1 with the common acceleration, you get the net horizontal force on m1. That force is the resultant of what forces?

Think of the string. Does it exert force?

ehild
 
  • #11
the string which is connected to m2 pulls m1. and then there is friction on m1
 
  • #12
ngorecki said:
gravity and tension?

Yes. Gravity and tension of the rope result in F=m2a. Can you find the magnitude of the tension?

ehild
 
  • #13
ngorecki said:
the string which is connected to m2 pulls m1. and then there is friction on m1

Yes, what are the direction of these forces?

ehild
 
  • #14
gravity on m2 = 39.2 N. the tension = 39.2 also?
and friction is in the "negative" direction
force from m2 is in the "positive" direction
 
  • #15
ngorecki said:
gravity on m2 = 39.2 N. the tension = 39.2 also?
and friction is in the "negative" direction
force from m2 is in the "positive" direction

The tension in the rope acts upward on m2. See the picture, I added the forces. So the net force on m2 is m2g-T=m2a. What is T then?

ehild
 

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  • #16
36.432 = t
 
  • #17
ngorecki said:
36.432 = t

Yes, the tension is T=36.432 N.
Now what forces act on m1?

ehild
 
  • #18
Tension and friction?
 
  • #19
Yes. The tension is the same at both ends of the string. You know acceleration, mass and one force, tension. How much is the other force, the force of friction?

ehild
 
  • #20
ƩFx = T - Ff
ƩFx = 36.432 - Ff
Ff = 36.432 N
 
  • #21
Is ƩFx =0? m1 is accelerating!ehild
 
  • #22
M1 = ma
M1 = 12 * .692
M1 = 8.304

M1 = T- Ff
8.304 = 36.432 - Ff
Ff + 8.034 = 36.432
Ff = 28.398

Is this accurate?
 
  • #23
Why do you denote force by M?

So the net force on m1 is m1a=8.304 N, and it is equal to T-Ff. But what is 8.034?

ehild
 
  • #24
the mass of m1 * acceleration = 8.304
then i take the mass of m1 * gravity = 117.6
u = Ff/Fn = 28.128/117.6 = .239

the answer is.239
 
  • #25
Correct !

ehild
 
  • #26
Thank you very much!
 

Related to Quick look over friction pulley system

1. What is a friction pulley system?

A friction pulley system is a mechanical device that uses the principle of friction to transfer motion and force between two rotating elements. It typically consists of a wheel with a groove and a belt or rope that runs along the groove, creating friction and allowing for the transfer of motion.

2. How does a friction pulley system work?

A friction pulley system works by using the friction between the rotating wheel and the belt or rope to transfer motion and force. As the wheel turns, the belt or rope also moves, allowing for the transfer of motion to the connected object.

3. What are the advantages of using a friction pulley system?

There are several advantages to using a friction pulley system, including its simplicity and ease of use, its ability to transfer motion and force in different directions, and its relatively low cost compared to other types of pulley systems. It also allows for easy adjustment of tension in the belt or rope, making it versatile for various applications.

4. What are some common applications of a friction pulley system?

A friction pulley system is commonly used in various industries, such as transportation, manufacturing, and agriculture. It is also commonly used in everyday objects, such as bicycles, elevators, and exercise equipment. Additionally, it is used in physics experiments to demonstrate principles of motion and force.

5. How do you calculate the mechanical advantage of a friction pulley system?

The mechanical advantage of a friction pulley system can be calculated by dividing the output force by the input force. For example, if a 100-pound force is applied to the belt or rope and it results in a 200-pound force on the connected object, the mechanical advantage would be 2 (200/100). This means that the system is able to double the input force.

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