What substance has the highest expansion ratio?

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The discussion centers on identifying the substance with the highest expansion ratio from liquid to gas, emphasizing that the expansion ratio varies significantly based on the substance and its boiling point. Water has an expansion ratio of 1:1700, while neon has an expansion ratio of 1:1400, noted as the highest for elemental substances. The conversation highlights that the measurement conditions, such as temperature and pressure, are crucial for accurate comparisons, particularly at standard temperature and pressure (STP). Additionally, xenon may surpass neon in expansion ratio, although definitive conclusions require further context on the substances being compared.

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  • Understanding of phase transitions, specifically liquid to gas conversions.
  • Knowledge of expansion ratios and their significance in thermodynamics.
  • Familiarity with standard temperature and pressure (STP) conditions.
  • Basic principles of gas laws and behavior under varying temperatures.
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  • Research the expansion ratios of various substances at their boiling points.
  • Investigate the properties of xenon and its expansion ratio compared to neon.
  • Learn about the impact of temperature on gas expansion using the Ideal Gas Law.
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Chemists, physicists, and engineers interested in material properties, thermodynamics, and phase transition behaviors will benefit from this discussion.

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What substance has the highest expansion ratio? (liquid:gas)
 
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Assuming ideal gas - will the volume of the substance after it was converted to gaseous form depend on the substance?

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I know water has an expansion ratio of 1:1700, and neon's is 1:1400 (which is the highest for elemental substances).
 
On the second thought - question is no clear. It doesn't state anything about temperature. If the idea is that it is measured at STP many substances are ruled out, even if they have (in their temperature range) much higher expansion ratio.

And neon doesn't look to me like a possible record holder (even for elemental substances at STP). For example xenon seems to be a tiny bit better (and I am not stating it is Xe that wins in this category).

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What I mean is the volume of a substance just below its boiling point (at 1 atm) compared to the volume of the substance right after it has all boiled to a gas (at 1 atm)
 
This is still not clear. You can't compare water (boils at 100 deg C) with iron (boils around 2900 deg C) even if they can be both converted to gaseous form. For obvious reasons 1 mole of gas at 2900 deg C will have much higher volume.
 
Which is why I'm not comparing their volume. I'm comparing the ratio of their liquid volume to gas volume.
 
The problem hasn't gone away - gases expand a lot more with temperature than liquids do, so liquids with higher boiling points are likely to score higher on your scale. Knowing the purpose and constraints would certainly help us a lot.

You can certainly google for whatever info you want and build a table of whatever you really want, though.
 
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